Apostate Dale Tuggy has been laboring to respond to a post of mine:
That includes direct comments on my post as well as a separate post of his own:
I'll respond to both:
I’m starting to lose patience with our present-day confused and confusing tradition of “high christology” exegesis.
A unitarian apostate is losing patience with Christians. Why does Dale imagine that his patience or impatience was ever the standard of comparison?
I think of it as a new Gnosticism – reading the NT gospels as if they were esoteric texts, texts written so that their main or most important meaning is hidden from plain sight, waiting to be uncovered by only the more spiritual, more insightful reader – like you, you beautiful man, you.
Does Dale seriously think that when we interpret the NT, we should exegete the text in a literary and historical vacuum? Does he think we should construe the NT in isolation to the OT? Does he think we should ignore how the NT would resonate in the context of Greco-Roman culture?
That's just standard grammatico-historical exegesis. When you interpret a text from the past, especially an ancient text, you need to consider the cultural preunderstanding and literary precedents. This isn't even unique to biblical exegesis. Why do we have annotated editions of Shakespeare and Dante? Because it requires some background knowledge to understand some of their statements. What was common knowledge to the original reader can be lost on modern readers.
This isn't distinctive to high Christology. Take the atonement of Christ. That has a subtext in the OT sacrificial system, the redemption of Israel from Egypt, &c.
And this isn't esoteric. Commentators and NT scholar appeal to evidence that's in the public domain. You don't have to be a 33rd degree Freemason to have access to this information. It's available in monographs, commentaries, reference works, &c.
Jesus had to mumble and gesture at his being God himself; but this was all a deliberate plan on his part, so as to be more persuasive. How clever!
There's nothing Gnostic or esoteric about the idea that Jesus needs to lay a foundation for his elevated claims before he begins to make elevated claims about himself. Even from a unitarian standpoint, it won't be persuasive to go around calling yourself the Messiah without supporting evidence.
Take the narrative strategy in John's Gospel. It opens with an introduction that clues the reader into the identity and mission of Jesus. That advance knowledge gives the reader an edge, a frame of reference, to grasp the ensuing narrative. By contrast, figures within the narrative must discover the identity and mission of Jesus by stages. A series of speeches, miracles, encounters, which have a cumulative effect. They flesh out the Prologue. One thing builds on another in a steady culmination.
In Matthew and Luke we have something similar. The nativity accounts flag Jesus as a very special child. When he begins his public ministry 30 years later, most folks aren't privy to his remarkable conception and childhood, but it provide a reading guide for the Gospel audience. They expect Jesus to be and do amazing things in adulthood.
Granting that Jesus would (if he believed it) have to keep such a claim on the down-low, clearly…
Notice Dale's hurried, backdoor admission that what I said was right.
…there is no reason to think that the gospels’ authors c. 50-95 AD would have also muttered and hinted! If they thought the point of it all was that Jesus is God himself, they could have and would have clearly asserted that!
There are different ways in which the Gospels indicate the deity of Christ. Some are more implicit while some are more explicit.
To pat that message on the head and stride right past it, rushing towards the hidden gems, the sneaky indications, clever hints, and oblique suggestions that “Jesus is God”… that is a kind of learned ignorance, pointy-headed point-missing.
i) To begin with, the Coneheads take umbrage at Dale's bigoted attack on pointy-headed humanoids.
ii) In addition, Dale keeps acting as if NT exegesis should be insulated from the society in which it was revealed. Are unitarians so desperate that they think NT exegesis must confined itself to the bare text, shorn of any cross-referencing to the OT, the political milieu of the Roman Empire, paganism, &c.?
An obvious problem with that approach is that by excluding ancient background information, a modern reader unwittingly recontextualizes the NT–because his own subconscious cultural conditioning supplies the hermeneutical grid. He unconsciously substitutes his own cultural assumptions in lieu of the original audience. It takes a conscientious effort to become aware of our social conditioning and screen that out when we read a text from a different time and place, so that we aren't imposing foreign assumptions onto the text. Take The Tale of Genji. Does Dale think you should jump straight into that text without bothering to know anything about medieval Japanese court life?
It's not that ancient texts are incomprehensible without background information. We often get the storyline. But many allusions can be lost on us. And interpretation can go seriously awry if we don't try to enter the thought-world of the original audience.
That Jesus is God’s Messiah – this is an astounding, life-changing, mind-boggling, old-order-overturning truth, when you finally understand the implications of it. If you don’t see this as revolutionary… you may have been distracted by other ideas.
There's nothing astounding or mind-boggling about God sending yet another human emissary. Yet another prophet. Yet another miracle-worker. That's just more of the same. The status quo.
There is no hidden main meaning.
That's simplistic. A meaning that was in plain view for Dante's social circle may become hidden from view with the passage of time. Dante contains many topical aside that are now obscure even to Dante scholars.
I think, is just the social pressure of that set. It is unspeakably uncool to be a unitarian there.
To the contrary, it's hip and cool to challenge traditional orthodoxy. Bart Ehrman, Elaine, Pagels, Phyllis Trible, Rosemary Reuther, Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza et al. are trendy and cool, unlike that fusty old Trinitarian, Incarnational faith.