"The illustration here is one attempt to capture in a diagram some of the truths related to the persons of the Godhead".
So then the one God is not a concreted person like the father but the one God is an abstract nature. Hmmmm....where else have I read that?
You got all that out of a simple little graphic? For you to say the one God is a concreted person implies that God is a property instance of an abstract divine nature that's over and above God.
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"You got all that out of a simple little graphic?" >>Well it is clearly putting the persons outside of the realm of the one God. "For you to say the one God is a concreted person implies that God is a property instance of an abstract divine nature that's over and above God.">>>You want me to mean that God-ness is something that all three persons participate in. This is your fallacy. On my view God-ness is not the same thing as divinity. Only one person is God and that is the Father. God-ness is not something abstract as a divine attribute. God-ness is a hypostatic property of the Father alone. So your mistake is the way you are using the word "God". You think it means divinity, or deity. I think, with the nicene creed that it means origo, auto-theos, source of operation.
Drake Shelton"Only one person is God and that is the Father."Which makes you a unitarian.
Wrong. Unitarian says that only one person is DIVINE. You are using the word "God" a different way than I do and since I have already explained this to you I will chalk that up to your jesuit brainwashing.
Drake Shelton"You are using the word "God" a different way than I do."Indeed, I'm using it in a Biblical and Trinitarian sense–you in a unitarian sense. So thanks for confirming the difference.
The Bible at no point refers to the One God as an abstract essence/subject or nature/subject that attaches to three other relation subjects or the absolute blasphemy of the Tri-Theistic or Monadistic phrase "God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Ghost". The only time the NT uses theword Theos and attaches a numeric value to it, it is referring to theFather; never to the son or spirit. And the fact remains, the One Godis never said to be a divine nature. The Scripture does describe******the Father****** as the one person who is, “tou monou Theos”(John 5:44 “How can you believe, when you receive [fn]glory from oneanother and you do not seek the [fn]glory that is from the one andonly God?), “ton monon alethinon theon” (John 17:3 “This is eternallife, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whomYou have sent.) and “eis theos” (1Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but oneGod, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; andone Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist throughHim; Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all ).
I already addressed your unitarian prooftexts in my lengthy replies to your fellow unitarian Dale Tuggy.
That pretentious little freak's still puttering 'round here Steve? I would have thought he'd have his hands full burning crosses and washing hoods.
Drake is not a very good representative of the master race, is he? Perhaps we need to do a background check on his ancestry. Maybe he's not pure enough. If he keeps embarrassing the master race by his subpar performance, we may have to arrange a little "accident."
I think dear little Drake has been watching too many reruns of Underworld. Beware those half-Lycan, half-vampire hybrids!Viktor: I loved my daughter. But the abomination growing in her womb was a betrayal of me and the coven. I did what was necessary to protect the species. As I am forced to do yet again.
'"You got all that out of a simple little graphic?" >>Well it is clearly putting the persons outside of the realm of the one God.'Agreed. In fact, have you noticed how this graphic denies divine immateriality? It clearly depicts God as a rectangle with a triangle and a circle around him. It also teaches that God is beyond being since it says that he 'is' and 'is not' simultaneously. Disgusting Jesuit trash, this.
Hi John,Don't want to waste my time with Drake (interacted with a dull Sabellian/Unitarian like him for four hours last week). But might be worth your time (and Beth's) to listen this audio broadcasted on CBC this afternoon- http://www.cbc.ca/tapestry/episode/2012/07/06/living-with-a-saint-1/
Steve, You have made the accusations so you have the burden of proof. I have stated that being the one God is not a divine attribute that speaks to a persons nature but a hypostatic property of the Father. I have fully acknowledged that the Father Son and Holy Spirit are homo-ousios. That is they have the same kind of nature-they are consubstantial with reference to generic nature not numeric nature. All three persons are uncreated eternal unchangeable. The second person, the Logos assumed to himself a impersonal set of human faculties-Jesus Christ the Lord. This is not even close to Unitarianism or Sabellianism. I searched through your blogs on Dale Tuggy and did not find a single section dealing with John 5:44, John 17:3, or 1Cor 8:6. There is also not a single sentence that speaks to the hypostatic Monarchy of the Father being a person property as distinguished from a divine attribute. I publicly accuse you of being a liar and that should seal the deal that you are willing to stoop to whatever irrational and dishonest levels necessary to avoid dealing honestly with what I am saying. You can rest assured I will never be commenting on this blog again.I leave you to your monad and I do not pray for your salvation.
You are a pathetic little paranoid racist who tries to use one hundred and fifty year old scholarship to make yourself feel as if your racism is ok because God somehow supports it. There is no difference between yourself and someone like Dorothy Murdock. “Oh, this scholarship doesn’t support my insanity? Well it’s a modern conspiracy to silence the truth! You need to go back a century and a half to find sources that discuss the real truth!” But you come by your lying nature honestly, for your father is the father of lies. Hit the road boy. Only grown-ups allowed round these parts.
Drake Shelton"I searched through your blogs on Dale Tuggy and did not find a single section dealing with John 5:44, John 17:3, or 1Cor 8:6."I wrote 55 posts in response to Dale, included extensive discussion of those two texts–among others. I could dig up the relevant posts, but I have nothing to prove to you. You're not important to me."There is also not a single sentence that speaks to the hypostatic Monarchy of the Father..."The alleged monarchy of the Father is your hobbyhorse, not mine. Something you're aping from Eastern Orthodoxy. I reject the monarchy of the Father, for reasons I've given."I publicly accuse you of being a liar and that should seal the deal that you are willing to stoop to whatever irrational and dishonest levels necessary to avoid dealing honestly with what I am saying."Oh goodie! Does that mean you're challenging me to a duel? How exciting! It's hard to slap someone with a glove through a computer screen, so I guess that's the best you could do. "You can rest assured I will never be commenting on this blog again."I'm crushed.
Drake Shelton"I do not pray for your salvation."Well, now that my eternal doom is sealed, I might as well indulge myself in hedonistic iniquity. I've got nothing to lose.
"You can rest assured I will never be commenting on this blog again."White flight?
Funny, I found two posts dealing with John 17:3 in about 2 minutes. How long did Shelton look? And yet he accuses Steve of being dishonest. Over at Shelton's blog I see he thinks he's been putting nails into Steve's coffin. How's that for delusional? Shelton keeps telling himself bedtime stories where he's the hero. That's his perogative but I do wish he would quit soiling blogs and websites that have something useful to say.
I recall Steve and Dale discussing John 17:3 and 1 Cor. 8:6 a number of times. Maybe you need to do a better search. The Triablogue search doesn't search very well. One can do an exhaustive search by going to "www.google.com/advanced_search" and typing "triablogue.blogspot.com" in the "site or domain:" field. Make sure NOT to add the "http://www.". Otherwise, it won't work.