I've seen Romney attacked as a traitor for voting to convict Trump on one count. I think there are two sides to this argument, although I come down more heavily on one side than the other. To begin with the lighter side of the argument:
1. For several reasons, I don't think Romney's vote make him a traitor. For one thing, I don't take him that seriously. When he was running for the nomination, the first time around, and when he was running in the general election, the second time around, it was unfortunately necessary to take him seriously. But now it's only Utah voters who need to take him seriously.
2. A US Senator doesn't work for the President. It's a separate, independent branch of gov't. He works for his constituents. He has no duty to be loyal to a President of the same party. Rather, he has a duty to act in the best interests of his constituents, and the country he represents in that capacity.
3. I do think Trump was guilty of abuse of power, but in this situation I don't think it warrants removal from office (see below).
4. Romney's vote was a throwaway vote, not a swing vote. It made no difference to the outcome.
Now for the heavier side of the argument:
5. I actually think there is a loyalty issue, but it operates at a different level. Trump is protecting our civil liberties from Democrats who are striving to abrogate the Bill of Rights. Someone who's protecting your Constitutional rights is entitled to a measure of loyalty in return, although that's not a blank check. Insofar as Trump is defending my rights, I defend Trump.
6. Romney has never been a man of principle. So I don't assume this was a vote of conscience. He's not a conviction politician.
It's possible that he's sincere in this case. He took a stand that's unpopular with his constituents back home.
But from what I can tell, Romney has a personal vendetta against Trump. So I doubt the purity of his motives. It doesn't look like a disinterested vote, but payback.
7. The Biden situation presents an intriguing dilemma. On the one hand, it's a classic abuse of authority for a president to use his official clout to try to take a political rival out of action.
On the other hand, the combined fact that Biden is corrupt as well as a contender for the presidency is a reason to investigate him. Imagine if he did become the next president.
So the real issue is not in the first instance that he's a threat to Trump's political prospects, but that he's a potential threat to the civil liberties of Americans. Paradoxically, the very fact that he's a corrupt political rival makes him a legitimate target for investigation, even if the personal motivation is disreputable. Politicians like Biden are dangerous.
8. In a war for national survival, you don't fire your best general, even if he does some questionable things. Even if you might fire him in peacetime, the stakes are too high in wartime. Look at what we're up against. Look at the agenda of the Democrats.
Trump's action against Biden must be counterbalanced by all his good actions as well as the uniformly disastrous actions and intentions of the Democrats. And even in his action against Biden, there are extenuating circumstances that mitigate the abuse of power (#7). His action was morally complicated.
The question isn't whether Romney betrayed Trump but whether he betrayed Americans. Does his action betray the larger cause?
The question isn't whether Romney betrayed Trump but whether he betrayed Americans. Does his action betray the larger cause?
In sum, while I don't think Romney is a traitor, he is a clueless fool.
I generally agree. Romney is petty.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm not convinced Trump abused his power. I'm still looking for a statute that was violated, and I will never know his motives.
How about instead of abuse of power, its closer to misuse of power? But still, I'd have to know how to adjudicate things like this and I am completely ignorant I admit.
The thing is, IMO, what if Trump were a genuinely nice guy we all liked a lot, who called Ukraine. Would this be an issue?
As a thought experiment, what if Mike Pence made that call using the same exact words. What then?
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ReplyDeleteThe Bee nails it as always:
ReplyDeletehttps://babylonbee.com/news/follower-of-joseph-smith-urges-nation-to-reject-morally-flawed-leaders
--But from what I can tell, Romney has a personal vendetta against Trump. So I doubt the purity of his motives. It doesn't look like a disinterested vote, but payback.--
ReplyDeleteThere is also legitimate reason to suspect Romney has been Never Trump all the way through the impeachment because of his involvement with Ukrainian energy (and possibly even Epstein, through Ms Maxwell's father).
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/top-romney-adviser-worked-with-hunter-biden-on-board-of-ukrainian-energy-company/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9413564/US-Election-2012-Mitt-Romney-fortune-built-with-help-from-Robert-Maxwell-and-Jack-Lyons.html
Trump's investigation of Biden could be seen as payback for Russiagate. Trump sees that the Deep State launches partisan investigations for political gain, so he decided to do the same. A good defense is a good offense. Doesn't make Trump right but does give some context.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Trump's suggestion of an investigation of Biden was against a political rival for president. Biden was one among many seeking the nomination, it was still early on in the process, and Trump apparently didn't try to get the goods on others. It was too early to start taking out hopefuls since the landscape hadn't even fully formed.
ReplyDeleteThe threat of quid pro quo, bribery, or anything else was moot since the investigation never happened and Ukraine still got their money.
Given the above, it's more reasonable to think that Trump was being honest when he said he just wanted them to "do the right thing." It's good to ask the leader of a foreign country to do something to mitigate corruption when we are giving them money for their own well-being. Even if we assume the worst of Trump in this occasion, it's unreasonable to tie a president's hands on this when one party of particular concern happens to be a potential political opponent. We can expect that if politicians are corrupt, they would have no qualms leveling accusations at political opponents who are in a position to investigate them. It's a condition that has prevented many corrupt politicians from being investigated and is at the heart of that which enables the proverbial swamp.
Well said!
Delete"But from what I can tell, Romney has a personal vendetta against Trump. So I doubt the purity of his motives. It doesn't look like a disinterested vote, but payback." In my opinion, this is the real reason.
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