These are some comments I missed when I was reposting comments I originally left at Parchment & Pen in response to a militant apostate:
Ryan says:
“By the way, while I’d rather not chat with Steve anymore…”
Constantly losing the argument can, indeed, have that
effect.
“…something important needs to be clarified. Science has to be done under the assumption of methodological naturalism. Let me define. Philosophical naturalism is a metaphysical belief that only the material/natural universe exists. Methodological naturalism is a method of assuming, for practical purposes, that only material causes exist for material events.”
Ryan acts as if this is breaking news. Ryan, just because
you learned something doesn’t make it new to the rest of us.
“You do this in science.”
This is just a made-up rule, which Ryan dutifully parrots
from his godless drillmasters. That, however, is not how real scientists have
to do science. Take medical science. Rex Gardner, Kenneth McAll, M. Scott Peck,
and Martyn Lloyd-Jones were all distinguished physicians.
They were content with natural causes as long as natural
causes were sufficient to explain the condition of the patient. But when
natural causes were not the best explanation, they were open to supernatural
causes.
Likewise, Rupert Sheldrake and Mario Beauregard are
distinguished scientists. They are satisfied with material causes so long as
that adequately explains the phenomenon in question. But when material causes
are not the best explanation, they consider immaterial causes.
“When you’re not doing science, you can believe in supernatural causes/realities all you like.”
Another one of Ryan’s problems, which I’ve let slide until
now, is his failure to distinguish between natural explanations and naturalistic
explanations. Natural explanations are consistent with Christian theology.
Christian theology has a doctrine of ordinary providence. Second causes. That’s
quite different from naturalism.
”Here’s why you must be a methodological naturalist in science. Science can only deal with natural causes. Why? Because science often makes it’s most important discoveries by holding variables constant (dependent variable), manipulating one variable (independent variable), and testing for the manipulated variables’ effect.”
That’s an artificially narrow definition of the scientific
method. One that applies in the laboratory, with control groups, double-blind
experiments, &c.
That works for some things. But science also involves
discovering the world as it comes to us. Field observations. Nature in the raw.
You can’t squeeze the world into a laboratory.
“God, or any other supernatural force, can’t be held constant to test for it’s effect. It’s that simple.”
i) The
obvious problem with that dictate is that it’s viciously circular and
self-stultifying. Unless you already know that all natural events are produced
by physical causes, it is prejudicial and willfully ignorant to limit the range
of acceptable explanations to natural (much less naturalistic) explanations.
That’s getting ahead of yourself. Pretending that you know the answer before
the evidence is in.
ii)
Let’s take a concrete example. In 2 Kgs 19 (par. 2 Chron 32; Isa 37), the
Assyrian army is defeated in answer to prayer. In addition, Sennacherib will be
assassinated as a delayed effect of the same prayer.
Now, the
account doesn’t say how, exactly, God destroyed the Assyrian army. It merely
mentions the agent of destruction: the Angel of the Lord. The angel might have
destroyed the army directly. However, according to 1 Chron 21, the angel can
kill indirectly by instigating a deadly plague. Some scholars think the army
died from a tropical form of bacillary dysentery. Cf. D. Wiseman, “Medicine in
the Old Testament World,” B. Palmer, Medicine and the Bible (Paternoster 1986),
25.
Suppose
that’s how they died. Suppose a medical examiner autopsied the casualties. If
all he had to go by were the corpses, he’d conclude that they died of natural
causes: a virulent strain of dysentery.
Likewise,
Sennacherib was later assassinated. Put to the sword. If his corpse were
autopsied, the cause of death would be physical. Maybe the sword pieced a vital
organ, or maybe he bled to death.
In both
cases you could give a complete physical description of the cause, yet in both
cases, a complete physical description of the cause would be an incomplete
explanation. For back of the natural causes was prayer. They died in answer to
prayer.
If a
scientific investigator knew about the prayers, if he knew about the timing of
the prayers in relation to the opportune timing of the outcome, his explanation
would have to include divine agency in response to prayer. Ryan can only close
his mind to that explanation on pain of rejecting the correct explanation. Ryan
will always opt for a false, naturalistic explanation in preference to a
factual, supernatural explanation.
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