Crude7/24/2012 2:19 AM
This is one more reason not to be Catholic. The church of Rome can’t provide basic moral guidance on an issue this basic. Indeed, it is giving the wrong advice.
You shouldn't be a Catholic, because a Jesuit favors gun control? Really, this is a reason?
Steve, c'mon. Is it impossible for some particular Catholic to do something wrong or hold a wrong opinion, and for that not to somehow work into a "and THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is one more reason not to be Catholic" move? I mean, would a pro-gun-rights Catholic count as a reason to BE Catholic?
At this point I half expect you to pull something like "Conan O'Brien isn't very funny. Is he Catholic? Because if so, ONE MORE REASON NOT TO BE CATHOLIC." And to mean it! That level of insanity.
i) Fr. Martin’s position is hardly idiosyncratic. For instance, the USCCB takes a similar position. Where do you think the Fr. Martins of the world get their views in the first place? They are parroting the party line:
ii) From you we’re getting the stereotypical reaction of the loyal Catholic layman. The fixer. Catholic laymen often assume the role of fixer. Whenever an official representative of their denomination makes an embarrassing public statement, the fixer makes a bunny-ears hand sign behind the head of the foolish Catholic cleric or prelate, assuring us, with a wink and a nod, that that doesn’t count.
The lay Catholic fixer is typically a guy with far more sensible views than the views of the institution he serves. He agrees with us that of course the priest/monsignor/bishop/cardinal/pope is spouting nonsense, but somehow we shouldn’t hold that against The One True Church®
But this is upside down. The folks at the bottom are wiser than the folks at the top. So why not make Bill Donohue (i.e. The Catholic League) the next pope? Wouldn’t that be a signal improvement on the status quo?
Or, to paraphrase the late William F. Buckley, it often seems as if picking the first ten names from the phonebook would yield better results than the USCCB.
Also, holy hell. You need some more hyperbole over there? I am strongly in favor of gun rights. I reject idiotic attempts to limit people's right to possess handguns, to force them to register, I'm in favor of stand your ground laws. But this sort of thing is just going over the edge.
Look at Australia. They passed some draconian gun control laws. They were a stupid plan, and haven't helped much with their crime situation, by their own records. But it didn't turn Australia into a Mad Max style place. It just trampled their rights. You'd be better off saying it's an open invitation to the government to wreak mayhem, if they see fit.
Really, the guy's argument was easy to take apart, but you blew it because you've got this whole "Man do I hate the Catholic Church" thing going on, to the point where it blinds you. Granted, not to the sociopathic levels it hits Bugay, but still.
Your objection results from a careless reading of what I wrote, as well as a careless reading of what Fr. Martin wrote. Fr. Martin’s position doesn’t reserve gun possession for law enforcement officers. According to his pacifist interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, no one should be allowed to have guns. Not private citizens. Not police. Not FBI. Not US soldiers.