Before responding to Sarah’s latest string of tendentious, sob-sister assertions, let’s take a reality check:
i) Suppose a normal man has a choice between dating Rosie O'Donnell and Lena Horne. Will he “consciously/unconsciously” discriminate against the black woman in favor of the white woman? I don’t think so. Clearly looks and charisma trump race.
ii) Likewise, if Bill Clinton and Thomas Sowell were running for president, would I favor the white candidate over the black candidate? Obviously not. I’d choose a black conservative over a white liberal any day of the week.
iii) What about multiracial sports teams, military units, and the like. Don’t the members of the sports team or military units share a sense of camaraderie which transcends race?
iv) In my observation, social class is more relevant to social acceptance than race or ethnicity.
Finally, Sarah keeps talking about “unconscious” racism. Of course, the beauty of imputing unconscious motives to people is that it’s unfalsifiable.
“Yes, racism will never cease in a fallen world. Neither will spousal abuse, but that doesn't mean laws can't be enacted to outlaw some forms of it, which may eventually result in a societal shift away from certain manifestations if it.”
i) What manifestations of racism are you alluding to?
ii) Do you think we should rectify spousal abuse by beating up on husbands who are not wife-beaters?
“Unspoken indeed, as I never said anything like that. I've heard people say that in academic discourse racism equals prejudice plus power on a systemic level, so that while a Black person in America could be prejudiced he couldn't technically be racist (being in the non-powerful group).”
I see. So black policemen, black judges, black mayors, black Congressmen, &c., are powerless. A white pizza delivery boy has more power than a black police chief, is that your argument?
“Universities in America are very largely controlled by white people.”
Universities in America are largely controlled by white liberals. Therefore, you’re imputing systemic racism to institutions controlled by white liberals.
The solution is to purge American universities of white liberals.
“Well... what? It's worth mentioning, because you don't seem to be aware of that ideology.”
Listen, young lady, I lived through the Sixties civil rights movement. I watched the network news. I attended public school I-12. I’ve been exposed to liberal politics all my life. So spare me the unctuous notion that I’m unacquainted with liberal ideology.
“It is racist stereotyping to state that white people have conscious and unconscious biases towards POC?”
By definition, that’s grossly prejudicial.
“I'm stating a social trend.”
You’re asserting a social trend.
“I wasn't aware that anyone denied the existence of racism in hiring and applications.”
Actually, it’s circular. Affirmative action requires an applicant to check a box to identify his race on the application form. If the application form didn’t require the applicant to reveal his racial identity, then in many or most cases, a college admissions board would be in no position to know the race of the application, and therefore in no position to discriminate against him even if it were so inclined.
“Even having a name that ‘sounds’ Black is enough to prevent some people getting hired; surely that indicates racism to you?”
i) Black-sounding names like “Colin Powell,” you mean?
ii) If you think corporations and college admissions boards are racist, then they’d be racist in how they enforce affirmative action, yes? Same with state and federal gov’t. If you think whites are bound to be racist, then white officials, who “control” state and federal gov’t, would be racist in how they enforce affirmative action. So how is that any solution, even on your own terms?
At best, the only way to prevent racist college admissions boards from discriminating against minorities would be to use arbitrary quotas. Is that what you’re proposing?
“I don't see that they're more salient in terms of getting hired or accepted to colleges.”
Now you’re changing the argument. You originally talked about “centuries” of “systemic” racism. How do you think that is a salient factor in 21C hiring or college admissions?
“On Triablogue you frequently call for the government to fix injustice - for example, outlawing abortion. You don't dismiss that as ‘paternalism’ towards the fetuses.”
Well, that’s a very revealing comparison on your part. Yes, I think we should baby babies. Adults have a duty to be paternalistic towards little children.
To judge by your comparison, you think white adults should treat adult minorities like children who require the adult supervision of enlightened whites. Speaking for myself, I don’t view myself as the grown-up in relation to minorities.
“What makes you say this isn't the government's problem, while other injustices are?”
Of course, that begs the question by assuming there’s a systemtic injustice in reference to hiring and admissions which gov’t needs to rectify.
“I believe systemic racism is a problem and results in plenty of POC being denied jobs in favour of equally qualified white people for no reason other than race; and I think something should be done about it.”
The only systemic racism I see is emanating from the power centers of liberal ideology.
“I'd like a charitable discussion on this, if you're up for that.”
I'd like a rational discussion on this, if you're up for that.
“Now you've admitted that injustice exists, what is the next step?”
Purge the liberal media, academia, the judiciary, executive, and legislative branches of white liberal racists.
“People’s resumes are being chucked out because they have Black-sounding names, and that's not a good thing either.”
Didn’t seem to be a hurdle for Barack Hussein Obama. Or is that a white-sounding name?
“Having a white-sounding name is something else.”
What does a “white-sounding” name sound like, exactly? How does that compare with a “black-sounding” name. Does “Jeremiah Wright” sound white or black?