Showing posts with label John Meier. Show all posts
Showing posts with label John Meier. Show all posts
Thursday, September 19, 2024
James and John, not full biological brothers?
The late Roman Catholic scholar John Meier made a good point about the perpetual virginity of Mary that should be brought up more often. What's our initial impression when the terminology that's applied to Jesus is applied to other individuals? When the New Testament refers to James and John, the sons of Zebedee, as brothers, what's our initial impression about their relationship? That they're full biological siblings. Most likely, we retain that initial impression for the rest of our lives, unless we encounter overriding evidence. Terminology is sometimes applied in unusual ways. The term "son" can refer to an adoptive rather than biological relationship, for example, but that doesn't prevent us from recognizing that the biological meaning is more common. The New Testament qualifies Jesus' familial relationships with the virgin birth, but it never qualifies those relationships with something involving perpetual virginity on Mary's part. The absence of any effort to provide such a qualifier by so many authors across so many contexts is significant. My main point here, though, is that advocates of the perpetual virginity of Mary need to provide an overriding justification for interpreting the terminology the way they do. The way we interpret the relationship between James and John is an illustration of that.
Friday, December 02, 2011
Newman, “The Roman Catholic Hermeneutic”, and Rome’s Foundational Assumption
A “willing suspension of disbelief”
The following citation came up in recent comments, citing John Henry Newman’s defense of the early papacy:
There are two ways to approach these “inconsistencies” and “alterations”. Genuine history and Biblical studies will seek to understand (a) what the biblical writers understood and sought to convey, (b) who the readers were, and (c) what the “cultural context” was that shaped the writers’ and readers’ understanding. To borrow the words of a famous Watergate-era senator, we seek to understand “what the early church knew, and when they knew it”.
This contrasts with Newman’s understanding, which posits, “St. Peter's prerogative would remain a mere letter, till the complication of ecclesiastical matters became the cause of ascertaining it”. But in fact, no such thing existed – no human being understood this “prerogative” until “bishops” of Rome, made wealthy by Roman emperors, had the power and wealth and freedom to assert authority outside of their small circle.
The Roman Catholic Hermeneutic, the backward-looking method of which Newman followed, does the opposite thing: it takes a current or existing Roman Catholic doctrine or dogma, then “proving the present teachings of the magisterium from the evidence of the ancient sources” (Aiden Nichols, “The Shape of Catholic Theology” pg 253).
The raw, overpowering weakness of the Roman Catholic hermeneutic is that its foundation is this assumption. As Newman put it
As John Reumann noted, there are historical gaps precisely in the places where Vatican I proclaimed “immediate jurisdiction”, and where Vatican II proclaimed “this hierarchically constituted society”. John Meier said, and I’ve quoted him many times, “A papacy that cannot give a credible historical account of its own origins can hardly hope to be a catalyst for unity among divided Christians”. In fact the papacy’s account of its own origins is merely a fiction, the Roman Catholic maintenance of which relies on what is essentially a willing suspension of disbelief. Such a process works to enable us to enjoy fiction; as a “foundation for the faith,” I find it quite lacking.
This is why the most recent scholarship, an effort to understand “what the early church knew and when they knew it” is so necessary. This is why an early primary document source such as The Shepherd of Hermas in conjunction with Scriptural and other evidence for house-church networks and also leadership structures, both Biblical and cultural, and most importantly, exegetical studies of Roman Catholic proof-texts, are so important. All of these decisively affirm the notion that Rome’s presupposition of a divinely-instituted hierarchy, situated in Rome, with which communion was necessary, is a fiction.
See this link for more information on how Newman’s “theory of development” rests upon the logical fallacy of “amphiboly”.
The following citation came up in recent comments, citing John Henry Newman’s defense of the early papacy:
While Apostles were on earth, there was the display neither of Bishop nor Pope; their power had no prominence, as being exercised by Apostles. In course of time, first the power of the Bishop displayed itself, and then the power of the Pope. . . . St. Peter's prerogative would remain a mere letter, till the complication of ecclesiastical matters became the cause of ascertaining it. . . . When the Church, then, was thrown upon her own resources, first local disturbances gave exercise to Bishops, and next ecumenical disturbances gave exercise to Popes; and whether communion with the Pope was necessary for Catholicity would not and could not be debated till a suspension of that communion had actually occurred. It is not a greater difficulty that St. Ignatius does not write to the Asian Greeks about Popes, than that St. Paul does not write to the Corinthians about Bishops. And it is a less difficulty that the Papal supremacy was not formally acknowledged in the second century, than that there was no formal acknowledgment on the part of the Church of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity till the fourth. No doctrine is defined till it is violated.All of this, however, is based on Newman’s foundational assumption. Newman, of course, makes historical concessions, when he says [relying on the Notre Dame publication of his “Theory”], “I shall admit that there are in fact certain apparent variations in teaching, which have to be explained; thus I shall begin, but then I shall attempt to explain them to the exculpation of that teaching in point of unity, directness, and consistency” (7) … “Here then I concede to the opponents of historical Christianity, that there are to be found, during the 1800 years through which it has lasted, certain apparent inconsistencies and alterations in its doctrine and its worship, such as irresistibly attract the attention of all who inquire into it. (p. 9)
There are two ways to approach these “inconsistencies” and “alterations”. Genuine history and Biblical studies will seek to understand (a) what the biblical writers understood and sought to convey, (b) who the readers were, and (c) what the “cultural context” was that shaped the writers’ and readers’ understanding. To borrow the words of a famous Watergate-era senator, we seek to understand “what the early church knew, and when they knew it”.
This contrasts with Newman’s understanding, which posits, “St. Peter's prerogative would remain a mere letter, till the complication of ecclesiastical matters became the cause of ascertaining it”. But in fact, no such thing existed – no human being understood this “prerogative” until “bishops” of Rome, made wealthy by Roman emperors, had the power and wealth and freedom to assert authority outside of their small circle.
The Roman Catholic Hermeneutic, the backward-looking method of which Newman followed, does the opposite thing: it takes a current or existing Roman Catholic doctrine or dogma, then “proving the present teachings of the magisterium from the evidence of the ancient sources” (Aiden Nichols, “The Shape of Catholic Theology” pg 253).
The raw, overpowering weakness of the Roman Catholic hermeneutic is that its foundation is this assumption. As Newman put it
Till positive reasons grounded on facts are adduced to the contrary, the most natural hypotheses, the most agreeable to our mode of proceeding in parallel cases, and that which takes precedence of all others, is to consider that the society of Christians, which the Apostles left on earth, were of that religion to which the Apostles had converted them; that the external continuity of name, profession, and communion, argues a real continuity of doctrine; that, as Christianity began by manifesting itself as of a certain shape and bearing to all mankind, therefore it went on so to manifest itself; and that the more, considering that prophecy had already determined that it was to be a power visible in the world and sovereign over it, characters which are accurately fulfilled in that historical Christianity to which we commonly give the name. It is not a violent assumption, then, but rather mere abstinence from the wanton admission of a principle which would necessarily lead to the most vexatious and preposterous scepticism, to take it for granted, before proof to the contrary, that the Christianity of the second, fourth, seventh, twelfth, sixteenth, and intermediate centuries is in its substance the very religion which Christ and His Apostles taught in the first, whatever may be the modifications for good or for evil which lapse of years, or the vicissitudes of human affairs, have impressed upon it.Writing perhaps 75 years after this, Adrian Fortescue (“The Early Papacy,” pg 26-27) writes
Even the most fundamental dogmas rest ultimately on the teaching of the Catholic Church today, even, for instance, that of the Holy Trinity. All we suppose, before we come to the Church, is that our Lord Jesus Christ was a man sent by God and whom we must follow if we wish to serve God in the proper way; that he founded one visible Church, to which his followers should belong; that this Church is, as a matter of historic fact, the communion of Rome (not, however, supposing anything about the papacy, but supposing only the visible unity and historic continuity). This much must be presupposed and does not rest on the authority of the [Roman Catholic] Church. All else does.Newman assumes that there was “communion with the Pope”, and that it “was necessary for Catholicity [and] would not and could not be debated till a suspension of that communion had actually occurred.” This “communion” is merely assumed.
As John Reumann noted, there are historical gaps precisely in the places where Vatican I proclaimed “immediate jurisdiction”, and where Vatican II proclaimed “this hierarchically constituted society”. John Meier said, and I’ve quoted him many times, “A papacy that cannot give a credible historical account of its own origins can hardly hope to be a catalyst for unity among divided Christians”. In fact the papacy’s account of its own origins is merely a fiction, the Roman Catholic maintenance of which relies on what is essentially a willing suspension of disbelief. Such a process works to enable us to enjoy fiction; as a “foundation for the faith,” I find it quite lacking.
This is why the most recent scholarship, an effort to understand “what the early church knew and when they knew it” is so necessary. This is why an early primary document source such as The Shepherd of Hermas in conjunction with Scriptural and other evidence for house-church networks and also leadership structures, both Biblical and cultural, and most importantly, exegetical studies of Roman Catholic proof-texts, are so important. All of these decisively affirm the notion that Rome’s presupposition of a divinely-instituted hierarchy, situated in Rome, with which communion was necessary, is a fiction.
See this link for more information on how Newman’s “theory of development” rests upon the logical fallacy of “amphiboly”.
Thursday, November 24, 2011
For Dave Armstrong’s Readers
A couple of weeks ago, I made the
mistake of mentioning Dave Armstrong’s name, in the context of the
Joe Paterno / Cardinal Bernard Law situation – I said that Dave, among
others, ought to reconsider his defense of the Roman Catholic Church, “ought to
stop now what you’re doing and demand, that Rome itself repent for the sins it
has committed, and to make restitution – real restitution – for the evil that
its own laws and policies have perpetuated for centuries.”
Dave went apoplectic over this and
in the two weeks since, he has written four or five (or more?) blog posts about
me and my hatefulness etc. etc. The interested reader can probably start from this
point and, knowing of Dave’s characteristic thoroughness, be able to follow
his links to the posts about me all the way back to the beginning.
I made the mistake of mentioning
to Dave that I found this sort of “interaction” with him to be about as
pleasant as stepping in dog poop, and he, of course, went
apoplectic over that. (He strikes me as an individual who has too much time
on his hands).
Over the course of the discussion,
I posted several links to my real work,
and he removed them, suggesting that they were off topic. Now that the topic is
“How
Anti-Catholics ‘Argue’”, I felt that I could legitimately post some of my
actual thoughts on the topics (and not the made-up ones that Dave attributes to
me), and have them stand as on topic. We shall see.
I reproduce those general ideas
here for Triablogue readers who may be interested. As well, I have made the
very kind offer to anyone from over there who has honest questions for me, I’d
put up a post over here, and answer any of those honest questions that they
might have. This is that post, and what follows are my comments to Dave about how
I really have come to focus on the things I focus on.
In my own life,
the most important question became, “Is the Roman Catholic Church what it says
it is?” It was a pure up-and-down decision. Yes or no? Because if it is, then
we ought to obey it, but if not, then it might freely be rejected.
After a lengthy,
prayerful, soul-searching study, I concluded that the answer was “no”. In that
case, I rejected it, although, another question presented itself: “what is it?”
And that’s the subject of my apologetic blogging these days. How did Rome get
to be what it is today, if it is not what it says it is.
The short answer
is that its longevity really is a testament to the
durability of a large bureaucracy, especially one that has the tools of
persecution and even war at its disposal. Of course, it has neither of those
things at its disposal now; its ideas must compete in the marketplace of ideas;
its doctrines must stand under the scrutiny of the light that the information
age is shedding on everything.
In an era in
which liberal Protestantism, “higher” criticism, and even atheism have not been
able to destroy, but have only shown the strength of the
foundations of Christianity and the truth-claims of Christ to be who he says he
is, it hasn’t taken much scrutiny at all to see Roman
Catholicism’s “pillars” be knocked out from under it.
The biggest
pillar, I suppose, is the papacy. Have you noticed that “the papacy” is now
referred to as “the Petrine ministry”? There really was no “early papacy”. All
of the “history” behind the papacy has pretty much been, well, not really
there. It’s been a reliance on myth and
fiction.
This state of
affairs has been described by John
P. Meier, a leading Catholic Biblical scholar: “A papacy that cannot give a
credible historical account of its own origins can hardly hope to be a catalyst
for unity among divided Christians.” So his
implication is that, until this point, the papacy has not given a “credible
historical account of its own origins.”
And that’s
largely true. In “high level” ecumenical discussions, John
Reumann, the late Lutheran biblical scholar who collaborated with Raymond
Brown in the seminal exegetical work on Peter in the New Testament, also said
this:
Biblical
and patristic studies make clear that historically
a gap occurs at the point where it has been claimed “the apostles were careful
to appoint successors in” what is called “this hierarchically constituted
society,” specifically “those who were made bishops by the apostles . . .,” an
episcopate with an “unbroken succession going back to the beginning.” For that, evidence is lacking, …. It has
been noted above how recent treatments conclude that in the New Testament no
successor for Peter is indicated.
So what Reumann
says is that there
is a gap, precisely at the point where “unbroken succession” has been claimed.
That goes for “bishops” as well as for popes. Reumann is citing an infallible Vatican II document as he makes this statement. And Meier calls Rome’s reliance
on “development” “not credible”.
Speaking to the
lack of credibility, Archbishop
Roland Minnerath, who was a
contributor to the Vatican’s 1989 Historical and Theological Symposium,
which was directed by the Vatican’s Pontifical Committee for Historical
Sciences, at the request of the then Cardinal Ratzinger’s Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith, on the theme: “The Primacy of the Bishop of Rome in the
First Millennium: Research and Evidence,” has made the admission that the Eastern Orthodox churches “never shared the
Petrine theology as elaborated in the West.”
Dave tried to
laugh this off, as if he had addressed Orthodoxy in detail, but really, this is
a Roman Catholic Archbishop, at the heart of Vatican studies, who says, the
East never shared the western conception of the papacy. The further implication
of that is that, in the east-west split, it is clear that Rome tried to impose Rome’s understanding on the east.
The East did not budge. Hence the split. The 1054 split is the result of Rome trying
to impose its theology of the papacy on an Eastern church that would not accept
it. And it is a Roman Archbishop who is saying this. This is the thing you
Roman Catholics, if you are serious, cannot laugh off.
So this is what
my own “apologetic” is about. One of the things I do is merely to report on the
state of the historical research into the early papacy. That kind of thing is very
helpful in coming to the understanding that “the Roman Catholic Church is not
what it says it is.”
For all of you other Roman
Catholics who think that the Roman Catholic Church is “the Church that Christ
founded” or that “the Church that Christ founded” somehow “subsists” in the Roman
Catholic Church, here is a bit more light reading for you:
Not a hateful word in the whole
bunch. Hope you all have a great weekend!
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