- RefProt April 9th, 2012 9:56 pm :Krister Stendahl, J.D.G. Dunn, N.T Wright, Mark Seifrid, Peter O’Brien, Seeyon Kim, etc,.Guess what all these guys who have written on STJ (from varying perspectives) have in common?I understand you believe this is what the creed teaches, but what evidence do you have to substantiate this? Then you say,None of the passages you have quoted require the interpretation you present. Many Catholic scholars would disagree. For example, William Dalton, SJ, has written the definitive treatment of 1 Peter 3:18-22 and disagrees that this in anyway refers to the descensus.Finally, you say,You don’t treat Piper’s primary text in Luke, you assert that Jesus couldn’t mean what Piper says. There is no compelling reason to accept your argument. Lexically, Louw and Nida say, “this word [is] generally equated with ouvrano, or ‘heaven.’” παραδείσῳ typically means Garden and in the NT is used with reference to the kingdom of God (harkening back to the Garden of Eden). From the biblical and apocryphal literature you do not find the distinctions you are making regarding παραδείσῳ.
- RefProt April 9th, 2012 10:08 pm :Adrienne,Taylor did not mention this for some reason but the reason to “edit” the Creed is because there is discussion about the originality of the phrase in the creed. There is widespread doubt in the academic community regarding the authenticity of the “descensus” view. That does not mean that it was not there, but there are some (and there are Catholics among their number) who believe that it was added to the Creed at a later date.Popular articles are available here:http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/asktheexpert/nov15.htmlThis quote from Britannica, “This phrase was probably the last to be added to the creed. Its principal source in the New Testament was the description in I Pet. 3:18–20 of Christ’s preaching to the spirits in prison. ”Here is an article in favor of the position which relates some of the historical ambiguity (and mentions Grudem):http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/35/35-1/JETS_35-1_091-099_Scaer.pdf
Sunday, May 06, 2012
Called to inferno
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