"God could’ve created all human beings with one color of skin. There has been too much killing, slavery, and wars because we are not one race with one language."
http://adebateontheproblemofevil.blogspot.com/2007/01/extent-of-suffering-in-our-world-makes.html
Let’s extend Loftus’ irresistible logic to a few more showcase examples:
1.Beautiful women tempt some men to commit fornication and adultery.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no beautiful women.
On the Loftus scale of values, a world without beautiful women is better than a world with beautiful women.
Bye, bye Lena Horne. Bye, bye Dolores Del Rio.
2.If it weren’t for the existence of women, there would be no female rape victims.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no women—beautiful or otherwise.
A world without women is better than a world with women.
Alternative: in a perfect world, all men would be eunuchs.
Will Loftus lead by example?
3.Fashion-conscious people are vain.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, everyone would dress in Maoist fatigues.
Lipstick would be banned.
All women would have buzz-cuts.
O, I forgot, in a perfect world there would be no women.
4.Kids sometimes break the China.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no kids.
Kids are such a nuisance anyway.
5.Puppies sometimes wet the rug.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no puppies.
6.The poor often envy the rich.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, everyone would be equally poor.
7. Some people overeat.
In a perfect world, there would be no ice cream. Just soybeans and tofu.
8.Sunbathers frequently get sunburn.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no sandy beaches or sunny weather.
A world with gray, overcast skies is better than a world with sunshine.
9.Some people use their fingers to make obscene gestures.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no fingers—just bony, fleshy stumps.
10.Dogs sometimes bite the hand that feeds them.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no pet dogs. (Not to mention kittens!).
11.Some people play their music too loud.
Therefore, in a perfect world, there would be no music.
12.The sense of touch tempts some people to commit fornication and adultery.
Therefore, if Loftus were God, hugs and kisses would be banned.
On second thought, in a perfect world there’d be nothing worth hugging.
13.To be continued…
Welcome to the best of all possible worlds. Sign up now while reservations last!
that's super, Steve. The love of Christ is quite evident in your words. Where do I sign up?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"that's super, Steve. The love of Christ is quite evident in your words. Where do I sign up?"
that's super, Anon. Have you ever tried defining the love of Christ by Scripture? Mt 23? Mt 25? 2 Thes 1:5ff.? Rev 6:10? Rev 14:11? Rev 18? Rev 19? Rev 20?
HA!! That's cute. You've been convicted by the Holy Spirit of your sin, and yet you still sin.
ReplyDeleteTypical.
"let your light shine...."
I have a feeling anonymous would see a child walking down the interstate and not move to rescue him because, out of "love", he wouldn't want to offend the poor child by removing him from a place of joy....
ReplyDeleteGreat illustration, calvindude!
ReplyDeleteYou are so right!
I can't begin to explain the love I've seen shown to me by the loving christians of t-blog.
The love is just gushing out all over the place...I can barely stand it!
Feel the love flowing from Steve and Calvindude!
MMMM!!!! If only God would choose me too!!! its so shocking that I still am not drawn to christ after experiencing so much agape love here!
Our struggle with understanding The hows and whys of evil in the creation is difficult for sure.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it does not disprove the fact that the Christian God of the Bible is the creator of the universe.
The atheist is obligated to show how something came from nothing apart from an intellingent supreme being causing it.
It's interesting. Sometimes there's only one way to show atheists how bad an argument is: Use the same argument with different ingredients, so that the conclusion is obviously absurd.
ReplyDeleteThen, when a Christian does this, we hear, "That's not loving!" So the conversation goes like this:
ATHEIST: "I've got an awesome argument. It refutes theism."
THEIST: "Well, using your argument, we also arrive at results X, Y, and Z, which are clearly bad.
ATHEIST: "You see! That's the reason I don't become a Christian!"
Right. People don't become Christians because some guys at Triablogue annoy them. And I don't become a Scientologist because I hated Mission Impossible. (There, I did it. So now people can complain that I'm not loving.)
Travis, you go girl!
ReplyDeleteHa! Its so funny to see you christians blather on and on about atheists....as if a non-believer has a choice in the matter.
Can I make myself be a Christian? Can I willingly choose to be regenerated anew?
No? Then zip it.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry for all the pain I may have caused you. I do love you. I'd like to wish you a early happy Valentine's Day. I know what you need... another silly love song, and so this is goes out to you, and all the other atheists who haven't had enough sunshine blown up their skirts
Silly Love Songs by Paul McCartney
You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs
But I look around me and I see it isn't so
Some people wanna fill the world with silly love songs
And what's wrong with that
I'd like to know
Cause here I go again
I love you, I love you
I love you, I love you
I can't explain the feeling's plain to me
Now, can't you see?
Ah, she gave me more she gave it all to me
Now, can't you see?
What's wrong with that?
I need to know
Cause here I go again
I love you, I love you
Love doesn't come in a minute
Sometimes it doesn't come at all
I only know that when I'm in it
It isn't silly, no, it isn't silly
Love isn't silly at all
How can I tell you about my loved one?
How can I tell you about my loved one?
(I love you)
How can I tell you about my loved one?
(I love you)
How can I tell you about my loved one?
I love you, I love you
Atheists, will you forgive me? Check []yes or []no.
ReplyDeleteLove, Paul
Excellent post!
ReplyDeleteAs bad as Loftus is, one can only hope T-stone doesn't continue posting.
ReplyDeleteThe most distasteful people on this site aren't the vulgar atheists, but the liberal sympathizers who are supposed to be on our side (Exist Dissolve, Touchstone, etc.).
I love you Paul's buddy. Thanks for taking so much of your time to write a rap for me. Guess what? You're always on my mind too. And so that's why I'm dedicating this song to you.
ReplyDeleteYou Are Always On My Mind - By Willie Nelson.
Maybe I didn't treat you
Quite as good as I should have
Maybe I didn't love you
Quite as often as I could have
Little things I should have said and done
I just never took the time
You were always on my mind
You were always on my mind
Maybe I didn't hold you
All those lonely, lonely times
And I guess I never told you
I'm so happy that you're mine
If I made you feel second best
Girl I'm so sorry I was blind
You were always on my mind
You were always on my mind
Tell me, tell me that your sweet love hasn't died
Give me, give me one more chance to keep you satisfied, satisfied
Little things I should have said and done
I just never took the time
You were always on my mind
You were always on my mind
You were always on my mind
I have a question for theists that claim God is solely moral:
ReplyDeleteIf God did commit moral, non-moral and immoral acts, what necessarily (not merely “possibly”) would be different in the world today?
In other words, would our universe look any different if God is moral, non-moral and immoral as compared to a God that is solely moral?
Travis said:
ReplyDelete"Yes, Anon, you can willingly choose. Calvinism, and indeed all forms of compatibilism, never deny that one has the ability to choose."
Travis, I can not willingly choose. I don't believe in Jehovah. Its a silly idea to me. Saying the words "I choose to believe in you, I submit my heart, and await my eternal reward!" does nothing to "really" make me believe. That has to be given to me by your supposed God, correct?
So no, I can't "choose" to believe.
Paul, thanks for that great song! Isn't it great to know that God ordained we'd both be doing such useful things with our time today?
ReplyDeleteglory be!
"In other words, would our universe look any different if God is moral, non-moral and immoral as compared to a God that is solely moral?"
ReplyDeleteGod's morality is part of His eternal, changeless nature. It is neither above Him nor is it below Him but part of Him and essential to His being. Thus, your question is a "nonsense" question, similar to asking what would the world be like if 2+2=10,250,456.
Young Master Travis,
ReplyDelete1. I said:
"Can I make myself be a Christian? Can I willingly choose to be regenerated anew?
No? Then zip it."
2. You said:
"Yes, Anon, you can willingly choose."
3. I said:
"Travis, I can not willingly choose. I don't believe in Jehovah. Its a silly idea to me. Saying the words "I choose to believe in you, I submit my heart, and await my eternal reward!" does nothing to "really" make me believe. That has to be given to me by your supposed God, correct?
So no, I can't "choose" to believe."
What is difficult for you to understand here?
I see that YOU have the problem now, as you are claiming above that I can CHOOSE to be 'regenerated' with a saving belief in Christ.
Oops! Heresy!!!! Watch out for Calvin's brood, as they've been known to torch people for that sort of thinking....
As bad as Loftus is, one can only hope T-stone doesn't continue posting.
ReplyDeleteThe most distasteful people on this site aren't the vulgar atheists, but the liberal sympathizers who are supposed to be on our side (Exist Dissolve, Touchstone, etc.).
I concur.
I agree.
I'll second that.
Copy that.
True dat.