I'm going to call you out as a liar... I'm just telling you straight. You are a liar and a hypocrite.
You are completely aware that the language at the BHT is tame. None of the famous "7 words" or anything similar have ever been allowed.
You are aware that the site search at the BHT reveals exactly what language has been used.
You are aware that c.t. uses the "f-word" and other terrible language that I have never used.
You are aware that Doug Wilson uses a term I have never allowed on the BHT. (see the link in the previous post.)You are aware that Wilson and Frank Turk in Wilson's comments use the same crude terms ("a" word) that you condemn me for.
You are aware that you are lying, and you know better.
You're a common liar, Mr. Hays. I have no problem being truthful about the language at the BHT. It's considerably better than Paul's vocabulary in Galatians. You have to lie every time you post on this.
Your insinuation that I am a corruptor of the young is about 5 feet away from slander.
Bill Mackinnon at the BHT tagged this fracas perfectly: "The one common theme amongst our detractors is a pathological hatred of the unlike. That's why a truly heterogeneous group blog mystifies them. If there isn't a theoblogical hierarchy with someone at the top (iMonk) then it is beyond their ability to understand. The fact that we are allowed to disagree with Michael and each other without some sort of "correction" is outside of their experience, and they don't know what to do with it other than attack. That we have a tavern motif infuriates them. That we give Catholics and Lutherans equal time with Baptists is outrageous. That we consider them Christians is unforgivable."
Now go ahead and delete this because it's true.
You are a liar, Mr. Hays.
Posted by Michael Spencer at December 19, 2005 09:25 AM
A few elementary points:
1.I have no intention of deleting Spencer’s comments, as anyone can see. Commenters are always free to criticize me to their heart’s content. Just spend some time in the archive.
2. Due to the steady coarsening of public discourse, what used to be R-rated speech is now PG-13 rated speech.
Both Spencer and I have been around long enough to be aware of the decline.
The fact that Spencer has become so jaded that he edits out R-rated vulgarity, but allows PG-rated vulgarity to slide on by is symptomatic of personal decadence which parallels the cultural decadence.
3. In addition, Spencer also allows R-rated vulgarity to be posted as long it is thinly disguised under the transparent ploy of wink-wink abbreviations.
BTW, if I were the moderator of a group-blog, and I had to keep editing out the R-rated language of my junior bloggers, I would take that as a pretty good indication that they were too immature to be blogging on a Christian weblog in the first place.
4.In the meantime, I also notice that the Tavernistas have tried to place exclusive emphasis on the charge of vulgarity to deflect attention away from the companion charge of heterodoxy.
5.The veiled threat of legal action is an empty threat which only a sissy would make. It’s also a diversionary tactic. Spare us the bravado.
6.The charge of hypocrisy is silly on several levels.
i) Even if the charge were true, moral equivalence does nothing to justify your own conduct.
ii) There were many sins by many individuals that Jesus never singled out for attack. Does that make Jesus a hypocrite?
iii) I rarely read Wilson’s blog.
iv) As I recall, Turk only used vulgarity in quoting one of his critics. As I made clear in my original, qualified statement, my objection is not to the usage of vulgarity (obscenity/profanity) under any and all circumstances, but where it is used in a worldly, braggadocio fashion.
v) You, Mr. Spencer, chose to come over to my blog an initiate a fight with c.t. You’re welcome to post comments here, but I reserve the right to pronounce a pox on both your houses.
It is not a double standard for me to respond to comments posted on my own blog without my having to respond to what other bloggers say and do on their own blog.
vi) I never said anything about Spencer's own usage.