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Admittedly, my previous post on this subject and this one as well have been partly motivated by apologetic concerns raised by some interactions I have had (or have seen others have) with Jonathan Prejean. Following such arguments as found in Sherrard's book The Greek East and the Latin West, Prejean argues that sola Scriptura is incompatible with Christianity because it ultimately reduces Christianity to the text of Scripture. Namely, only those things can be believed which can be "verified" by direct appeal to the Scriptures Alone, whose "plain" meaning is exactly equivalent, without remainder, to the original meaning as discerned by purely "scientific" criteria of hermeneutics.
This view of Scripture, though seemingly popular among Modern Protestants, begins over time to look like a kind of textual "positivism"--and positivism is surely no friend of the Christian religion. I think this criticism is insightful when directed against said Modern Protestant concept of sola Scriptura, but I do not think it disqualifies sola Scriptura conceived of in its properly Reformational sense. It is the burden of these hastily-constructed, probably too sketchily-argued posts, to explain why I don't think sola Scriptura is actually impacted by the type of argument found in Sherrard's book. In addition to the foundational matters I discussed in the last post on this subject, I will here attempt to interact with some of the concerns of Catholics regarding sola Scriptura as expressed in such official documents as Vatican II's Dei Verbum.
Christianity cannot be reduced to only those areas of experience which are accessible to, quantifiable by, and really controlled by, the intellect (reason).
In speaking of written and unwritten "aspects" of Christian doctrine I believe Sherrard has expressed an important point about the incarnated religion of Christianity--a point which even we as Protestants ought to be able to affirm without difficulty. That point is that the Christian religion is about far more than sentences, propositions, and texts. The Christian religion is about all of reality, and this fully includes embodied reality. By its very nature, then, the Christian Faith cannot be about only what we find in a text--not even in the Divine Text itself. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Incarnated reality simply cannot be reduced to marks on a piece of paper, regardless of what those marks mean in terms of sentences and propositions. Indeed, not even a complete collection of such sentences and propositions gleaned from the Divine Text would be a complete Christian faith, but only part of it. Why? Because there is embodied reality outside of the text, and what we get from the text is not truly complete unless we live it out.
Now what does this mean for sola Scriptura? Everything depends on how the phrase is construed. If, for instance, we wrongly take the "sola" to mean that no authority except Scripture can have any real say-so, and correspondingly we then seek an exegetical theory which claims to have zero input from "traditions" because it "only" deals with the text of Scripture, we immediately fall into the rationalistic philosophical trap of which Sherrard speaks. Because especially over the last 350 years or so (since the cultural triumph of the Enlightenment) the Protestant mind has adopted a truly excessive suspicion of "tradition", reading remarks such as Sherrard's above all too easily raises fears that the authority of Scripture is being somehow downplayed and mere human notions brought in to enslave. We might find ourselves deeply suspicious of Sherrard's category of "aspects" of Christian doctrine, and suspect that the qualities of Scripture such as its "sufficiency" and "clarity" are being denied in favor of "traditions of men".
(though the mere propositional statements would not exhaust the meaning since the meaning has to be lived out in the community of the faithful).
To think of Scripture--and our process of understanding it--in such
a manner is to think like an idolator precisely because it reduces Scripture to something fully immanent, which we can control with our Reason.
How does such "controlling" of Scripture happen in the Enlightenment Protestant scheme? Like this. In the Modern world, when immanent Reason faces a problem it creates a technology (that is, a techne) to solve it. In terms of the Modern problem with finding "certainty" of interpretation the technology which has been created is "scientific" hermeneutics.
From Descartes's "clear an distinct ideas" to Paley's Divine Watchmaker to Hodge's Common Sense Realism, well-meaning Christians surrendered the field of battle to rationalism, and the result was, as history shows us, the general reduction of faith to whatever Reason could be said to approve.
That criterion being the autonomy of Reason, immanent systematization became the goal of Protestant theology as well as of all other fragmented areas of study (known as "subjects"). Biblical hermeneutics thus became one more "science" proceeding by its own autonomous rules and cut off from external sources of information and clarification--such as the category of "tradition" and its transmitter, the embodied life of faith… On this Enlightenment concept of knowledge and truth, "sola" Scriptura became the theory that "only" Scripture has any say-so, and Scripture's say-so (in the sense of its presumed eidos) is discovered via hermeneutics, a form of technology (techne) that leads us to correct Rational thinking (episteme).
We thus deny all hermeneutical attempts to rip Scripture (and its interpretation) out of its natural context--the ongoing, organic, messy life of the community of the faithful--and place it "above" all other things in the sense that nothing else can have any significant input because we heed "only" (sola) Scripture. Every attempt to interpret Scripture already involves philosophical and linguistic assumptions which, contrary to a naive Scripture "only" view of "sola" Scriptura do not arise from the text of Scripture itself--assumptions which we often do not see precisely for the reason that when we look out a window we usually do not see the window itself, but only that which we are looking at through the window. The trouble with blindspots is precisely that you can't see what is going on in them without the aid of something that is outside of them.
This is a tough subject to navigate under the best of circumstances, but certainly it is even tougher in a climate where both sides are merely repeating 500 year old developed polemics against each other and confusing this with actually listening to each other and dealing with what is being said within a very different framework.
That is, it has been confined to the purely Rational interpretation of black squiggles on the pages of a book--which, although it certainly is the Divine Book and to be reverenced above all other books, was never intended to (and indeed cannot) express the totality of divine revelation and the apostolic religion which is built upon it.
Christologically-speaking, because the Church is the Body of Christ, participating in His divine life, and because Christ is not just fully man but fully God as well (indeed, He is the image of the Father), the Body of Christ is not reducible to the merely historical--or the merely textual. Christianity is surely a "historical religion," but this does not mean that it is reducible to historical factors and expressions, since Christ Himself is not so reducible.
This implies that from the Christian or any other genuinely religious point of view, there can be no common measure between the Truth, in its absolute and eternal nature, and its formal expression in terms accessible to the human intelligence. The Truth is, a priori, independent of, and superior to, its expression in human terms, the latter being as nothing when compared with it. And this is so even in the case of such a supreme expression of the Truth on the human plane as its historical incarnation in the life of Christ: if the eternal Logos, in the Incarnation, 'became flesh', this assumed human nature does not absorb or exhaust the divine nature, and represents, vis-a-vis this latter, a limitation, in the sense that it gives a finite form to what is infinite and, from the point of view of the human intelligence, formless. What applies in the case of such a supreme manifestation of the Truth as the Incarnation applies necessarily to a greater degree to any other expression it may take on the human plane, and especially to formulas made in conceptual and logically coherent terms. The Truth itself is beyond any such formulations, and to seek for it in the latter is to confuse what belongs to a relative, and imperfect, order with what is absolute and universal--is, in fact, to fall into the kind of idolatry of which the Christians accuse the pagans, namely, that which arises from worshipping creation rather than the Creator. (Sherrard, 51)
Notice again the idea that people have to be "capable of receiving" a Truth which is presented to them, which, as developed in the first post, means that they have to reside within the community of faith, the life of which affects them in ways that actually make them able to understand spiritual things in a manner that those cut off from the life cannot. This instantly eliminates all notions of "Truth" as merely intellectual…It in effect reduces Truth to immanence, and thus by destroying transcendence destroys basic orthodox Christianity itself.
It is merely a plea for situating hermeneutics within something beyond the text which hermeneutics seeks to interpret--namely, the community of faith which cannot itself be reduced to the text. It is also a plea for not reducing hermeneutics to a Modernistic "science", an episteme or technological method whose goal is, like all technologies, to subdue that upon which it operates, to quantify it, package it, explain it without residue, and thus indeed, to control it.
Because Scripture is the Divine Text, speaking to the community which God Himself has called out of the world and which He Himself is daily redemptively working within both to transform it and use it to transform the world, it is not susceptible to this type of Rational control--and if we attempt to so control it we make ourselves idolators.
Again, it is not hermeneutics per se that is the problem, nor is it inherently problematic to attempt via hermeneutics to find the original meaning of the text. What is problematic is taking the additional step of reducing Truth and Meaning to ONLY what is found in the text by means of some such methodology like "the assured results of critical scholarship"
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i) Notice the overweening conceit of a man with no institutional standing--whether academic or ecclesiastical—supposing that he’s going to broker a deal between Catholicism and Evangelicalism.
ii) This mini-series is yet another illustration of how very suggestible and impressionable Enloe is. He believes the last thing he reads, and rushes into print to announce to the world that he has discovered long lost key to unlocking the Catholic/Evangelical impasse.
He reads on the fly, thinks on the fly, writes on the fly with these half-read, half-baked, half-digested reaction-pieces. Instant analysis takes the place of measured reflection.
iii) We are, of course, treated to the deep-dyed, bald-faced lies about how the Svendsens of the world do exegesis. Was Enloe always a pathological liar? Or was it somewhere along the line that he chose to cultivate this studied, culpable ignorance and appetite for confabulation?
Turning from generalities to specifics:
iv) There is his pantheistic notion of the Incarnation, whereby the uniquely particular and unrepeatable event of the God-man is universalized into a general framework, based on Enloe’s sloppy, overly literal extrapolation from the church as the body of Christ.
v) There is the equally sloppy inference that if Christianity is not reducible to propositional revelation, then that somehow invalidates the grammatico-historical method.
Such an inference fails to draw an elementary distinction between subjective and objective faith—between believers and belief, on the one hand, and the object of faith or belief-system on the other. We truly live out our faith only to the extent that we are true to the meaning of the sacred text.
Meaning is propositional. The meaning is there whether or not we pattern our lives accordingly. If we are faithless, that does nothing to negate the meaning of the text.
vi) Meaning is, indeed, immanent. God has made his meaning immanent in his act of self-revelation. He has made his meaning immanent in the process of inspiring verbal propositions.
God is the one who has formulated his truth, articulated his truth, verbalized his truth. This is not something we have done, but something God has done.
Yes, there is a larger truth outside of Scripture. God is omniscient. But you cannot find that larger truth outside of Scripture. For that larger truth is no part of revealed truth.
This isn’t our attempt to exert control over God, but a way in which God exerts control over his church. To seek the meaning of Scripture is to resign our pretensions of personal autonomy and submit to the autonomy of God.
Hermeneutics is not an autonomous discipline, cut off from external sources of information. To the contrary, the grammatico-historical method adapts its method to the subject-matter. What a sentence means is whatever the author meant it to mean at the time he wrote it. That is simply a truism of communication.
The natural context of Scripture is not the “ongoing” audience, but the original audience. And the way to apply Scripture to the church is to analogize from the original situation to our own situation.
vii) Truth is, indeed, merely intellectual. Enloe is confounding truth and faith. Belief is more than truth, and faith is more than belief, but truth is a purely intellectual property, a property of proposition, of true beliefs—Enloe’s pious nonsense notwithstanding.
viii) How many commentators claim absolute certainty for their every interpretation? This is Enloe’s imaginary straw-man argument—like a twitchy, jerky street person who swears at invisible adversaries and swats away nonexistent flies.
ix) What’s so bad about Paley’s watchmaker argument? Is there something inherently wrong with the teleological argument?
x) The reason we’re locked into a 500-year-old polemic is that Rome locked herself into a particular posture with the Tridentine anathemas. “Listening” assumes an open-ended dialogue of give-and-take. But Rome is unable to take back her words without resigning her pretensions to a divine teaching office. So there is no “give.”
xi) 1 Cor 2:13-14 doesn’t mean that you must be in the church to understand the Bible. In this passage, Paul speaks of the Spirit, not of the church. Regeneration is the prerequisite.
Moreover, Paul’s point is not that the unregenerate are incapable of understanding the Bible. Rather, as he explains, they find it foolish.
We have a number of examples, in the Book of Acts, of Paul preaching to a hostile audience. Why were they hostile? Because they didn’t understand? Or because they did understand, but didn’t like what they were hearing?
xii) Since idolatry is, itself, a biblical category, it can never be rightly applied, in self-referential fashion, to Scripture itself. Where in Scripture is the listener ever admonished to take the word of God less seriously? Are we not to revere the word of God?
It’s a sorry and telling evidence of Enloe’s theological degeneracy that he is now resorting to the old Bible-hating slogans of a paper pope and bibliolatry.
To echo Perry, I'd like to see any kind of an argument for propositions (iv) - (vii). At least at first glance, they all appear to be false, which is exactly what I've been trying to say about unshared assumptions. Your concept of truth assumes what you think you need for truth, and infers from that need to the existence of a method to fill it. In fact, both the argument for the need itself and the argument for the reliability are fallacious.
ReplyDeleteWhat you've presented is not argument; it's yelling at someone for disagreeing with you. Yes, Tim has done the same thing from time to time, but that doesn't make your objections any more sound.
Perry Robinson said:
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And what exactly is Steve Hays academic or institutional standing?
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I don’t need any official standing to do what I do because I’m not trying to do what Enloe is trying to do. To play the role ecumenist, you’d need to be, say, an official representative of some major denomination. That was the explicit context of my remarks.
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2. Enloe is following Christian tradition as seeing Christ taking up all of humanity. (Athanasius for example, On the Incarnation) That is hardly "pentheistic." Steve's problem is that his platonic conception of property instantiation can't make sense of such an idea. Will the real neoplatonist please stand up?
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Three problems:
i) I reject the Greek Orthodox notion which universalizes the Incarnation into a hypostatic union with all of mankind via a generic human nature rather than a hypostatic union with a concrete particular property-instance of human nature.
ii) But that’s beside the point, because Enloe’s stated claim is more specific than that. He is not arguing from Incarnation>mankind, but Incarnation>the church.
iii) Much as I disagree with Enloe, I’m not quite at the point of calling him a devil-worshipper. So the charge of “pentheism,” what with its occultic connotations (i.e. pentagrams) is a tad severe, even by my polemical standards! :-)
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If we can't find at least some of the larger truth outside of Scripture, one wonders what the heck chemists have been up to.
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Once again, Perry is quoting me out of context. The explicit context was revelation as the rule of faith.
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If truth is merely intellectual, one wonders what Jesus meant when he said he was the truth. Was Jesus merely intellectual? How odd for a Jewish rabbi to say such a thing.
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This is a surprising blunder for a philosophical sophisticate like Perry. He is confusing words with concepts.
John’s usage has its background in Septuagintal usage, with reference to God’s federal fidelity. This is coupled, in the prologue, with Christ as the direct revelation of God.
Of course, folks like Prejean and Perry, because they disdain original intent, don’t care to know what it meant in relation to the author’s own usage and literary allusions.
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Protestant condemnations were far earlier and more numerous than Trent. Perhaps the shoe is on the other ecclesiastical foot. perhaps it was Protestants who got "locked into" a specific polemical stance.
Protestants are no more able to recant than Rome. Any attempt to even question on exegetical grounds the Protestant love child of sola fide by Protestant academics lands one firmly into the land of instant heresy.
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Now Perry is choosing to play dumb. Since Protestants do not lay claim to a divine teaching office, their traditional condemnations to not carry the same doxastic commitments as does Trent.
As a consequence, we have many Evangelicals abandoning sola fide for the new perspective on Paul, to take but one example.
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Noting that people make an idol out of the bible is not a mistake of self reference since the claim is not that the bible is making an idol of itself but that people are making an idol of the bible. Steve, here, read some Frege. ;)
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A specious argument since it tacitly assumes that Evangelicals are, in fact, making an idol out of Scripture, which is the very point at issue. Enloe is insinuating that the way in which folks like Svendsen and Engwer and White go about interpreting the Bible is idolatrous, whereas they would say, and rightly so, that by endeavoring to ascertain and respect the original force of Scripture they are honoring the Lordship of God over their lives rather than idolizing the tradition of the elders.
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Where in the bible is the reader to take Scripture less seriously? Perhaps the idea is where in the Bible is the reader not to take Scripture as an end in itself. Try John 5:39.
"You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me"
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A straw-man argument. What intelligent Evangelical denies that Scripture is a means to an end rather than an end in itself?
BTW, I’m primarily concerned with the Reformed community, but since much of this is the common possession of the Evangelical community, I’m being more inclusive in my usage.
Perry Robinson said:
ReplyDelete"Protestants are no more able to recant than Rome."
No, when one group makes such different claims for itself, in terms of claiming to maintain all apostolic tradition in every generation and claiming to be infallible, for example, it's more difficult for that group to recant.
You continue:
"Any attempt to even question on exegetical grounds the Protestant love child of sola fide by Protestant academics lands one firmly into the land of instant heresy."
I don't think the paralytic in Mark 2:5, the woman in Luke 7:50, or the Galatian believers described in Galatians 3:2, for example, would refer to sola fide as derisively as you do. But if a Protestant academic questions sola fide on exegetical grounds, the tendency of Protestantism will be to answer him on exegetical grounds, not to just appeal to concepts of development of doctrine or church tradition that have no need for being exegetically demonstrated. That's a significant difference.
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Steve said:
ReplyDelete"A straw-man argument. What intelligent Evangelical denies that Scripture is a means to an end rather than an end in itself?"
I agree. You have to wonder why Perry would want to defend comments so obviously inaccurate as Tim's.
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As for Prejean's comment, he'll have to be much more specific about what he think is missing under each point (iv)-(vii). For I've already given one or more reasons for each.
ReplyDeleteI've also defended some of these claims in reply to Robinson. Finally, I was, in some measure, answering Enloe on his own grounds, and, to that extent, I don't need to offer an independent argument to discharge my burden of proof.
As to Prejean's general complaint, I have argued on more than one occasion now that his pragmatic/empirical theory of the GHM is off the mark. Since he's mischaracterized the position, his objections miss the target.
Finally, there are no assumptions which everyone shares in common. That's a chimerical criterion--and one which he himself does not uphold.
"For I've already given one or more reasons for each."
ReplyDeleteLooked like assertion upon assertion to me. I don't call those "reasons."
"I've also defended some of these claims in reply to Robinson."
I suppose "defended" is one term for it.
"Finally, I was, in some measure, answering Enloe on his own grounds, and, to that extent, I don't need to offer an independent argument to discharge my burden of proof."
Unless you fail to answer Tim by his own criteria. Then you don't.
"As to Prejean's general complaint, I have argued on more than one occasion now that his pragmatic/empirical theory of the GHM is off the mark."
Then you're admitting equivocation in characterizing the Catholic position (and in my view, admitting that your position lacks empirical support, because I can't see any way around it from your perspective). I'm quite happy to have that admission, but it does little for the argument that I "have to" practice the GHM. Pick your poison.
"Since he's mischaracterized the position, his objections miss the target."
No, you mischaracterized the Catholic position in asserting that we have some need for the GHM as practiced by Evangelicals for our theology. We don't.
"Finally, there are no assumptions which everyone shares in common. That's a chimerical criterion--and one which he himself does not uphold."
Sure, but people who don't take hard empirical facts seriously don't have too many followers. Detaching oneself from evidential methods does not help one's case. I was assuming that we were dealing in reality and not pure abstraction. Clearly, that wasn't warranted.
I don't think you have any hole cards left, Mr. Hays. I think you've played your best, and your best isn't good enough. That's a shame; you're a good player; I'd love to see you playing with a better hand.
"Finally, there are no assumptions which everyone shares in common. That's a chimerical criterion--and one which he himself does not uphold."
In further reply to Prejean,
ReplyDeleteWhatever its independent merits, or lack thereof, his pragmatic/empirical theory of the GHM is not "the Catholic position." There is no official pragmatic/empirical theory of GHM within Catholicism. That's just Prejean's private little theory of what makes it tick.
My position on GHM "lacks empirical support" because it's not an empirical theory to begin with, so Prejean is committing a category mistake.
I've now given several different supporting arguments for GHM, none of which demand or depend on inductive criteria.
He continues to foist his peculiar construction on me, which I've argued against.
But, to play by his own rules, perhaps he can explain, empirically, how he can be so confident in apostolic succession given such undercutters as the Great Schism (1378-1417) as well the many potential impediments to the valid administration holy orders. That's a problem of theory and practice alike.
And while he's at it, perhaps he can explain how his theory of revelation, apostolic succession, and sacramental realism represent assumptions shared in common by Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, and secular historians.
Steve said:
ReplyDelete"And while he's at it, perhaps he can explain how his theory of revelation, apostolic succession, and sacramental realism represent assumptions shared in common by Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, and secular historians."
That's a good point, Steve. Maybe Jonathan will ignore its implications, like he did when I brought the issue up on Greg Krehbiel's board.
You're also correct in pointing out that Jonathan claims to represent Catholicism in general when we actually have no reason to believe that many, if any, other Catholics agree with him.
Jason Engwer
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New Testament Research Ministries
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