But then you have Christians who insert themselves into the fictional works of other Christians. (And it’s amazing how many people are making the mistake with the video series from Wood, in that they don’t even realize that there are fictional characters involved. The videos are not about David, Jon, and Vocab—they are about Dennis, Jamar, and Giovanni, three fictional characters played by David, Jon, and Vocab.)
Friday, June 15, 2018
Wrapping Up A Few Things
But then you have Christians who insert themselves into the fictional works of other Christians. (And it’s amazing how many people are making the mistake with the video series from Wood, in that they don’t even realize that there are fictional characters involved. The videos are not about David, Jon, and Vocab—they are about Dennis, Jamar, and Giovanni, three fictional characters played by David, Jon, and Vocab.)
Tom Schreiner on the spiritual gifts
This is not an argument for baptismal regeneration; the point is that baptism with the Spirit and baptism with water are both initiatory events. The fact that Cornelius and his friends were baptized with the Spirit meant they were qualified to be baptized with water! (53).
First, that those in Acts 2 understood the languages spoken doesn't prove that the gift of tongues is different. They understood the tongues because they knew the languages. The problem in 1 Corinthians is that no one was present who knew the languages spoken. It isn't the gift of tongues that was different; the situation was different (128).
Those with the gift of prophecy declare God's word…When Luke says that both your sons and daughters will prophesy (Acts 2:17-18), it probably means that both men and women will declare God's word, but it doesn't necessitate that they are all prophets, that they all have the spiritual gift of prophecy (95).
Since prophecy is defined here as speaking the infallible word of God and since the church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, there are no longer prophets today, since the foundation of the church has been laid. The sole and final authority of Scripture is threatened if so-called prophets today give revelations which have the same authority as Scripture.If one adopts this definition of prophecy, for anyone to claim such a gift of prophecy today would constitute a threat and danger to the church. Such claims would compromise the unique authority of Scripture, and the potential for spiritual abuse and a cultic type of authoritarianism would be great (160-61).
26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza”...29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” (Acts 8:26,29).
How should we think about miracles and healings?…If a person has a gift of healing, it seems there would be a pattern of healing. And the healings should be on the same level that we see in the NT: healing of the blind, of those who are unable to walk, of those who are deaf, and of those who are near death. Claims to healing are often quite subjective: colds, the flu, stomach and back ailments, sports injuries, &c…The issue is that it is often difficult to verify that a miracle has truly taken place. It isn't clear to me that particular people have a gift of healing or miracles (164).
Yes, God works miracles, but they are relatively rare (165).
Perhaps God is pleased in cutting-edge missionary situations to grant the same signs and wonders we see in the NT era (165).
Now that the church has the authoritative guidance for faith and practice in the Scriptures, the gifts and miracles which were needed to build up the early church are no longer needed, and they are not common. This is not to say, however, that God never does miracles today (167).
Last, I think it is significant that the great teachers whom God used to bring about the Protestant Reformation were cessationists…They would have loved to see signs and wonders and miracles like there were in the apostolic age (167).
Thursday, June 14, 2018
Bullitt reboot
Recently, in reference to the kerfuffle over the Islamicize Me series, James White characterized some of his critics as "assassins". Interesting choice of words. Normally, "assassin" has–shall we say?–a slightly pejorative connotation (unless you work for the Mafia). Yet I must assume that White was actually using "assassin" as a term of endearment, given his prooftexts for how a Christian apologist ought to comport himself: Always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence (1 Pet 3:15); The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition (2 Tim 2:24).
Unfortunately, White didn't name names, which leaves us in breathless suspense. I'll be terribly disappointed if I didn't make the cut. Assassins can be hip and cool. Consider the stylish driver of the muscle car in Bullitt, with his nappy black suit and leather gloves. In fact, this might be an opportunity do a reboot of Bullitt to cap the Islamicize Me series. Snipers! Beautiful broads (Jacqueline Bisset). High-speed chases!
I volunteer to play the driver of the 1968 Dodge Charger R/T. Spencer can be the triggerman in the passenger seat, with the sawed-off shotgun, Wood will reprise the role of Frank Bullitt, in the 1968 Mustang GT, while White can play the Johnny Ross character. And if White declines the honor, we'll cast Al Pacino or Christopher Walken to play White.
Humor aside, the main thing I find so striking is how hostile White is towards Wood and Spencer compared to how chummy he is towards Muslims. He acts like Wood and Spencer are the enemy rather than Islam. How did Muslims become the good guys while Acts 17 & Jihad Watch are the bad guys?
I Want Consistency Too
It is the portrayal of obviously sinful action.
Yet on Twitter, someone jokingly suggested that he show clips from Islamicize Me to the class at TMS, and White responded (source):
There are few of the episodes I could actually show in public. The adoption one possibly.Because Dr. White has been so adamant that consistency is one of his primary goals, then we must conclude by this that he believes kicking your adopted son out of the house in the middle of the night with no shoes on his feet is not obviously sinful. I mean, if it was obviously sinful then surely he would not have excluded it.
I wonder if his elders know he holds to that position?
Help Melinda Penner Of Stand To Reason
Wednesday, June 13, 2018
See no evil
Part I: The story so far
As many people are aware, there's been a debate between James White vs. David Wood, Vocab Malone, and Jon McCray over the latters' "Islamicize Me" videos. On the offchance someone isn't aware, here's the story so far, at least the major bits, as objectively as I know how to put it.
Trust is earned
"Obey your leaders"
17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you (Heb 13:17).
7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. (Heb 13:7).
3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, 4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will (Heb 2:2-3).
Robert Spencer on the “Islamicize Me” controversy
I don't agree with everything he says here, but it's useful to hear his side of the argument since White fingered him in one of the DL's about the “Islamicize Me”. In addition, Spencer is a brave, heroic figure who merits our support.
An Unanswered Question
…have you ever watched a movie or TV show where a character was murdered in the show? Murder is sick and perverted. Was the movie or TV show sick and perverted because it happened to one of the characters? I mean, I'm not talking about gorey [sic] movies. Think about John Wayne westerns where the bad guy kills someone which is why John Wayne has to go after him.
Is that immoral? Or do you give it a pass. Because it seems to me that murder is actually a sin…