Showing posts with label Pope Gregory the Great. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pope Gregory the Great. Show all posts
Thursday, May 08, 2025
Never Doing Anything Bravely
"even a general in battle loves that soldier who returns after fleeing and presses the enemy bravely, more than the one who never turned his back, but never did anything bravely." (Gregory the Great, cited by Bede, in Calvin Kendall and Faith Wallis, translators and editors, Bede: Commentary On The Gospel Of Luke [Liverpool, England: Liverpool University Press, 2023], 466)
Thursday, June 08, 2023
Widespread Disagreement About The Afterlife Before The Reformation
In a recent post, I cited a book on the cult of the saints by Matthew Dal Santo. Something that often comes up in the book is the wide variety of views of the afterlife held by late patristic and medieval sources. For example:
Tuesday, April 02, 2013
Darrell Bock on Pope Francis
Darrell Bock posted the following video this afternoon on Facebook, a discussion of the new pope and Roman Catholicism with Bock, Dr. Lanier Burns, Dr. Scott Horrell, and Dr. Leopoldo Sanchez (a Lutheran):
It’s kind of a milquetoast treatment. They did take care to locate the origin of the papacy after Augustine and more specifically with Gregory I. At least there are Protestant seminary professors who've got this on the radar screen.
After listening to the program, I left the following two comments in response:
It’s kind of a milquetoast treatment. They did take care to locate the origin of the papacy after Augustine and more specifically with Gregory I. At least there are Protestant seminary professors who've got this on the radar screen.
After listening to the program, I left the following two comments in response:
Darrell you mentioned the “relationships among the institutions” -- Protestants who tend to this pope as a man tend to forget the institution -- at an official level, evangelical churches are not and cannot be called “churches in the proper sense” but “ecclesial communities” lacking “apostolic succession of orders”. See this official document:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html
As well, modern Protestants tend to forget about the recent history of negotiations with other churches. Recall the happiness over the "Joint Declaration on Justification", but it was not long afterward that Rome disavowed key elements of that document, and the chief ecumenist John Richard Neuhaus was expressing "Setback in Rome":
http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2013/02/rome-is-dialog-partner-that-is-not-to.html
Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Pope Gregory the Great: “(Christ) in the mystery of the holy sacrifice is offered for us again (iterum)”.
While we’re
talking about the “Eucharist”, it’s striking that most individuals who turn (or
return) to Roman Catholicism say they do so because of the Eucharist. Thinking
that Rome somehow teaches what Christ taught and what the earliest church
taught, they neglect the convoluted history and practice of this “sacrifice”,
which, contra Chris Castaldo, has a long history of being viewed as “Christ is
re-sacrificed at the Mass”.
Chris
Castaldo says: “Misnomer Two:
Catholics teach that Christ is Re-sacrificed at the Mass”
This is perhaps the most common
misconception. If I had a dime for every pastor friend whom I’ve heard say that
the Mass is a repetition of the cross, I just might have enough money for a
cappuccino at Starbucks. … Catholic doctrine teaches that the Mass “renews” or
“re-presents” the cross; but it doesn’t “repeat” it. Catholics assert that in a
mystical and sacramental sense, the Mass is the cross, the once and for all
offering of God’s Son continued through time. For those of you who enjoy
grammar, it’s like an ingressive aorist: an action that has been completed and
is also ongoing. It is, if you will, like a golf put [sic]… When I swing my
putter at the ball, the initial contact is the “put.” At the same time, the
action of the ball rolling toward the pin (and in my case, past the pin)
is also the “put.” [sic] The put has
happened and it’s happening. So the sacrifice of Jesus is completed (hence
informed Catholics know how to explain Jesus’ words “it is finished”) and it is
also ongoing. Personally, this is one of two or three tenets of Catholicism
that I find most troubling; but it is what it is, and we evangelicals only
benefit from getting it right.
Castaldo
should stick to “puting” and drinking Starbucks. And as I mentioned in a
previous post, he should also approach Rome’s doctrines more critically,
and be less willing to chastise Protestants for not understanding things for
which Rome itself has been all over the map.
This notion
that Christ is re-sacrificed at the Mass is an old one, and it is a western,
eventually supremely Roman position. Edward J. Kilmartin The
Eucharist in the West (Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press ©1998, 2004),
describing Ambrose of Milan (c. 340-397 A.D.) notes:
On the question of the sacrificial character
of the Eucharist, Ambrose provides an example of the difference of the
orientation between the Eastern and Western traditions. The Greek fathers of
the fourth-century Antiochene tradition based the sacrificial character of the
Eucharist on the concept of anamnesis:
the commemorative actual presence of the one and unique sacrifice of Christ on
the cross. The third-century bishop of Carthage [Cyprian], as was noted above,
did not follow this interpretation. Ambrose also omits the Greek concept of
commemorative sacrifice… (18)
Ambrose’s theology of eucharistic
sacrifice which stresses the active presence of Christ as High Priest as well
as the active co-offering of the liturgical assembly under the leadership of
the presiding priest adheres to the Western theological tradition. An
individualistic concept of eucharistic sacrifice is discernible not only for
the ecclesial aspect [“it is precisely the liturgical assembly that is the
subject of the offering of the eucharistic sacrifice”] but also for the
Christological dimension of the sacrificial act. The idea that each individual Mass has a value in itself as a kind of
new act of Christ performed in and through the sacrificial offering of the
Church derives from the experience of the mystery of the Eucharist. It is
nourished by the typical Western way of thinking which is focused on the
individual and concrete event, and disinclined to speculate about the
relationship of the once-for-all historical sacrifice of Christ to the
eucharistic sacrifice.
Ambrose’s doctrine of the somatic
presence of Christ under forms of bread and wine was borrowed from the
fourth-century Antiochene tradition. But, as we have noted above, it was not “received”
within the Platonic horizon of thought of the Greek theologians. However, his teaching on this subject, thus
separated from its natural Platonic horizon, became the viable—and eventually triumphant—option in the
Latin Church of the early Middle Ages over against the “spiritualized”
interpretation of the content of the sacraments of the body and blood linked to
the Augustinian tradition. Likewise Ambrose’s teaching about the Christological
aspect of the eucharistic sacrifice shows no signs of the influence of the
Greek notion of commemorative sacrifice. This fact, which proves that
Ambrose’s “reception” of Greek eucharistic theology was only partial, is indicative
of the difficulty which the Western theological mindset has traditionally
experienced in its attempts to grasp the Greek notion of commemorative
sacrifice.
By the end of the sixth century this
Greek concept, which could have served the interests of a more balanced
theology of the eucharistic sacrifice, was no longer present to the Western
tradition. At the same time the tendency of the Western theology of eucharistic
sacrifice toward postulating a complete disjunction between the historical
sacrifice of the cross and the eucharistic sacrifice received additional
support from Pope Gregory the Great’s saying that “(Christ)
in the mystery of the holy sacrifice is offered for us again (iterum)”. This text is one of the earliest that refers to Christ being “newly”
offered. Supported by the authority
of Gregory [the Great!] it became an important proof text for the notion that
the sacrifice of Christ is repeated in each Mass in an “unbloody way.”
At the same time this perception of the
eucharistic sacrifice as first and foremost a liturgical repetition of the
once-for-all sacrifice of the cross also had the unfortunate effect of
obscuring the notion of the active participation of the faithful in the
sacrificial activity. The earlier Latin theology, as noted above, viewed the
eucharistic liturgy as a constellation of gestures and prayers in which the
liturgical activity of the faithful constituted an essential ingredient for the
realization of the eucharistic sacrifice. In the later development, however,
the eucharistic sacrifice was more narrowly defined as the offering of the one
victim through the ministry of the priest. Therefore the laity were understood
to participate, not in their own right, but through the ministerial service of
the presiding minister.
This new theology of the eucharistic
sacrifice provided a building block for the practice of the private Mass which
came about due to a number of pastoral and devotional concerns. The transference
of the system of stational
churches from Rome to the regions beyond the Alps necessitated the
confinement of altars honoring martyrs to just one church. The Eucharist was
celebrated on these altars in accord with the axiom: martyrs are honored by
being buried under altars; altars are places for celebrating the eucharistic
sacrifice. Initially the simultaneous celebration of Masses on these altars
together with the Mass at the high altar was practiced. But in view of the
eucharistic sacrifice as a new offering of Christ, the celebration of such
Masses became more frequent. Also, the practice of Irish missionaries of
privately celebrating Mass on their missionary excursions in the Frankish lands
exercised considerable influence on the development of the private Mass. It was
justified on the ground that where the priest is there Mass can be celebrated.
Also, in the Frankish milieu the question
of exchange of material goods for spiritual goods, monastery lands and other
foundations for spiritual blessing, led to the employment of the Mass as the
most favored spiritual good to be involved in the “holy commerce.” (21-23,
emphasis added)
So can you
deny that this is some sort of “explicit de fide teaching” of the Roman
Catholic Church? Probably they can and will deny that. But can you deny that it
was the overwhelming practice of the Western (i.e. Roman) church through the
vastest portion of church history? Nah.
What should
Chris Castaldo’s role be? Chastising Protestants because they don’t care to
understand this whole convoluted history? Or explaining how Rome’s
preoccupation with itself and its own glories caused corruptions galore through
the history of the church?
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