Thursday, August 01, 2019

Progressive demagogues

I'm going to comment on a post by progressive/Arminian theologian Randal Rauser:


In passing, compare his response to my original post:


Notice how little of my argument he attempts to engage. And not simply the OP, but the more detailed explanations I provide in the combox in response to a commenter.

I am not surprised that Hays posted a comment like that, but wow is it revealing of his utter inability to understand the Gospel. Hays presumably thinks it is good news that Christ’s atoning work extends to him and his crowd, but he is deeply offended at the notion that it should extend to these other sinners as well, presumably the really bad ones.

So apparently, it isn’t offensive that God should mercifully save medium-sinful Steve Hays but it is beyond the pale that he should save a really bad sinner like Mao, Stalin, or an ISIS soldier.

i) To begin with, notice the psychological imputation. Does Rauser sincerely believe that you must be "deeply offended" by a notion to disagree with it? Is every philosopher who disagrees with a notion motivated by finding the notion deeply offensive? Rauser can't honestly believe that. That's just a polemical ploy that demagogues resort to. 

ii) In addition, he recast what I said. He swaps out what I actually said, swaps in something quite different, pretends that his substitution represents what I said, then revels in moral backpatting. That, too, is the standard tactic of demagogues. If you can't refute the actual argument, replace it with something easier to attack.  

That's actually the most charitable interpretation of his behavior. A less charitable interpretation is that Rauser is so consumed by his animosity towards Christian conservatives that he's incapable of hearing what they actually say. He automatically assumes the worst about them, and caricatures what they say because his antipathy blocks his ability to distinguish their real position from his imputations of malevolence. 

iii) If you compare my original post with his response, there's a complete mismatch. Nowhere do I use myself as the yardstick. I didn't contrast "midlevel" sinners" with "mega" sinners. Rather, I used the victims of horrendous evil as the yardstick. From their perspective, is it the "best possible news" that their assailants will evade divine retribution for their crimes? 

Consider Jewish Nazi hunters and survivors of the Shoah who hounded Nazi fugitives who escaped to Latin America. Does Rauser have the same contemptuous attitude for them? 

Then we're treated to a fallacious argument from authority:

Steve Hays could learn something from J.I. Packer. Though Packer is a Calvinist who believes that those who die outside Christ suffer eternal conscious torment, he also wrote this:

“No evangelical, I think, need hesitate to admit that in his heart of hearts he would like universalism to be true. Who can take pleasure in the thought of people being eternally lost? If you want to see folk damned, there is something wrong with you!”

i) How does Packer's opinion prove anything? Is it supposed to be true simply because Packer said it? 

ii) In addition, there's the false dichotomy. It isn't necessary to take "pleasure" in retributive justice to think that's a good thing. 

iii) Finally, it's incoherent to wish that universalism is true if you think it's false. If, in the wisdom, justice, and goodness of God, he doesn't save everyone, then it's best that everyone not be saved. 

4 comments:

  1. > "No evangelical, I think, need hesitate to admit that in his heart of hearts he would like universalism to be true. Who can take pleasure in the thought of people being eternally lost? If you want to see folk damned, there is something wrong with you!"

    Packer's great friend John Stott said similar things IIRC, and so do many. But it ought to be very difficult to accept logic that leaves you saying that you wish a perfect God actually had different standards to the ones he does. Without any further consideration, it ought to be obvious that it's our aim to bring our thoughts into line with God's - a priori, his thoughts are the gold standard.

    On a different line - is it wrong to wish Satan to be damned? Does Rauser have compassion for really really mega great sinners like Beelzebub, and have the heart's desire that he could be saved? If not, why not?

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  2. Anglicans seem to be a bit soft when it comes to the afterlife; RT France was an annihilationist. NT Wright also denies eternal torment but it's not quite clear what he believes instead.

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    1. Yes, a number of prominent Anglicans are annihilationists.

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  3. So apparently, it isn’t offensive that God should righteously judge medium-sinful Randal Rauser but it is beyond the pale that he should righteously judge a really bad sinner like Mao, Stalin, or an ISIS soldier. I am not surprised that Rauser posted a comment like that, but wow is it revealing of his utter inability to understand the righteousness and justice of God.

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