There are, in general, two hypotheses about how the Shroud came to be. The first is that the shroud represents the work of human ingenuity. The second is that the shroud represents an artifact of supernatural activity.
We'll explore the supernatural hypothesis first. In very general terms, if something is the artifact of a supernatural process, we have no particular expectations about what sort of physical evidence we should expect to accompany it. In other words, there is no scientific way to test a supernatural hypothesis. The shroud could be the artifact of a supernatural process, and there is no way that this hypothesis could be completely ruled out, because it is not as though supernatural activity would leave any tell-tale marks.
I’m not clear on what TFan means by this. On the face of it, it bears a startling similarity to methodological naturalism or Gould’s nonoverlapping magisteria. Unbelievers frequently tell us that “by definition,” supernatural events can’t be historically or scientifically confirmed. To take a few examples:
No such conflict should exist because each subject has a legitimate magisterium, or domain of teaching authority—and these magisteria do not overlap (the principle that I would like to designate as NOMA, or "nonoverlapping magisteria").
The net of science covers the empirical universe: what is it made of (fact) and why does it work this way (theory). The net of religion extends over questions of moral meaning and value. These two magisteria do not overlap, nor do they encompass all inquiry (consider, for starters, the magisterium of art and the meaning of beauty). To cite the arch cliches, we get the age of rocks, and religion retains the rock of ages; we study how the heavens go, and they determine how to go to heaven.
I believe, with all my heart, in a respectful, even loving concordat between our magisteria—the NOMA solution. NOMA represents a principled position on moral and intellectua] grounds, not a mere diplomatic stance. NOMA also cuts both ways. If religion can no longer dictate the nature of factual conclusions properly under the magisterium of science, then scientists cannot claim higher insight into moral truth from any superior knowledge of the world's empirical constitution. This mutual humility has important practical consequences in a world of such diverse passions.
What about the resurrection of Jesus? I’m not saying it didn’t happen; but if it did happen, it would be a miracle. The resurrection claims are claims that not only that Jesus’ body came back alive; it came back alive never to die again. That’s a violation of what naturally happens, every day, time after time, millions of times a year. What are the chances of that happening? Well, it’d be a miracle. In other words, it’d be so highly improbable that we can’t account for it by natural means. A theologian may claim that it’s true, and to argue with the theologian we’d have to argue on theological grounds because there are no historical grounds to argue on. Historians can only establish what probably happened in the past, and by definition a miracle is the least probable occurrence. And so, by the very nature of the canons of historical research, we can’t claim historically that a miracle probably happened. By definition, it probably didn’t. And history can only establish what probably did.
I wish we could establish miracles, but we can’t. It’s no one’s fault. It’s simply that the canons of historical research do not allow for the possibility of establishing as probable the least probable of all occurrences. For that reason, Bill’s four pieces of evidence are completely irrelevant. There cannot be historical probability for an event that defies probability, even if the event did happen. The resurrection has to be taken on faith, not on the basis of proof.
The evidence that Bill himself doesn’t see his explanation as historical is that he claims that his conclusion is that Jesus was raised from the dead. Well, that’s a passive – “was raised” – who raised him? Well, presumably God! This is a theological claim about something that happened to Jesus. It’s about something that God did to Jesus. But historians cannot presuppose belief or disbelief in God, when making their conclusions. Discussions about what God has done are theological in nature, they’re not historical. Historians, I’m sorry to say, have no access to God. The canons of historical research are by their very nature restricted to what happens here on this earthly plane. They do not and cannot presuppose any set beliefs about the natural realm. I’m not saying this is good or bad. It’s simply the way historical research works.
But a basic problem with NOMA or methodological naturalism is the failure to distinguish between cause and effect. If something is supernaturally caused, that doesn’t mean the effect is supernatural. The effect is natural. Mundane. Creaturely.
Moreover, it’s common for Christian philosophers to infer supernatural causes from natural effects. Consider the many versions of the cosmological and teleological arguments. Or the argument from religious experience. Or intelligent design theory. Or the argument from miracles. Or the argument from prophecy.
Is it TFan’s position that we can never infer supernatural agency from experience? What about answers to prayer? Can we never infer that God answered our prayer?
Finally, I’ll close with Craig’s response to Ehrman, which seems germane to TFan’s objection:
But that’s not all. Dr. Ehrman just assumes that the probability of the resurrection on our background knowledge [Pr(R/B)] is very low. But here, I think, he’s confused. What, after all, is the resurrection hypothesis? It’s the hypothesis that Jesus rose supernaturally from the dead. It is not the hypothesis that Jesus rose naturally from the dead. That Jesus rose naturally from the dead is fantastically improbable. But I see no reason whatsoever to think that it is improbable that God raised Jesus from the dead.
In order to show that that hypothesis is improbable, you’d have to show that God’s existence is improbable. But Dr. Ehrman says that the historian cannot say anything about God. Therefore, he cannot say that God’s existence is improbable. But if he can’t say that, neither can he say that the resurrection of Jesus is improbable. So Dr. Ehrman’s position is literally self-refuting.
Now he seems to suggest that the historian can’t make these sorts of inferences because somehow God is inaccessible. Well, I have a couple of points I’d like to make here.
Secondly, notice that the historian doesn’t have direct access to any of the objects of his study. As Dr. Ehrman says, the past is gone. It’s no longer there. All we have is the residue of the past, and the historian infers the existence of entities and events in the past on the basis of the evidence. And that’s exactly the move that I am making with respect to the resurrection of Jesus.
I agree that a belief that the SoT was caused by supernatural processes is a religious belief.
ReplyDeleteBut unlike prayer, which is commended by Scripture, Taco Wrap, bed-sheet-stain Jesus is nowhere to be found.
That's hardly an intelligent response. Try not to play an organ grinder's monkey to TFan. If you have nothing worthwhile to contribute, resist the impulse to say anything.
ReplyDeleteSteve, as usual, I'm on your side of this issue.
ReplyDeleteI've got a question for all sides though.
Couldn't a supernatural event (theistic or demonic) fail to leave "historical" clues? Or even leave MISLEADING "historical" clues? "Historical" in the sense of using standard procedures by which humans normally infer historical significance and chronology?
For example, maybe the Shroud of Turin really is the burial cloth of Christ, but unfortunately the resurrection actually affected the cloth in such a way that Carbon 14 dating will now, always and only, result in a date during the Middle Ages.
A related issue is how some scientific anti-realist Young Earth Creationists argue that the inference of Earth's age being billions of years is an erroneous one because it's based on the assumption of the uniformity of nature; when in contrast to that we have Scripture to tell us infallibly the real age of the Earth.
It seems to me that the only way for a Christian to *consistently* hold to scientific anti-realism AND the belief that the supernatural can be historically investigated is if one presuppositionally believed in the inspiration and infallibility of Scripture in a self-conscious way.
Otherwise, one would be using two different standards to evaluate 1. the origin of the universe and 2. alleged supernatural artifacts.
Btw, I'm a scientific anti-realist who leans more towards Old Earth Creationism (but not dogmatically).
Or maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges....
ReplyDeleteAnnoyed Pinoy said:
ReplyDelete"Couldn't a supernatural event (theistic or demonic) fail to leave 'historical' clues?"
Hm, yes, I would think so (e.g. John 21:25).
"For example, maybe the Shroud of Turin really is the burial cloth of Christ, but unfortunately the resurrection actually affected the cloth in such a way that Carbon 14 dating will now, always and only, result in a date during the Middle Ages."
An interesting idea. Obviously God can keep cloth from wearing out or change its appearance or what not (e.g. Deut 29:5, Mt 17:2), and of course Christ's resurrection changed his physical body, but I don't see how Christ's resurrection would have necessarily changed his burial cloth in such a way as to always cause C-14 dating to result in a Medieval date?
I should say I haven't read much of anything about the Shroud of Turin and don't have an opinion on whether it is authentic or not. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
"A related issue is how some scientific anti-realist Young Earth Creationists argue that the inference of Earth's age being billions of years is an erroneous one because it's based on the assumption of the uniformity of nature; when in contrast to that we have Scripture to tell us infallibly the real age of the Earth."
A tantalizing comparison.