After bribing a member of the Mossad with a vintage bottle of Chateau Lafite Rothschild, I was able, at last, to track down the shadowy whereabouts of the International Jewish Conspiracy.
This should be of special interest to Ron Paul and his devoted band of supporters, seeing as it serves to confirm their worst suspicions about who is pulling the strings of American foreign policy.
Classy. In one post you are quoting Ron where he says Israel should be allowed to defend herself and now you are trying to associate him with anti-semites. This is just classless and slanderous, verging on bearing false testimony.
ReplyDeleteThe Triablogue must be desperate for hits, because they know Ron Paul's name is oft searched.
I see that you're tone-deaf to satire. And you must be pretty "desperate" if you're that defensive about your candidate.
ReplyDeleteAgain, the whole "I know you are, but what am I am" approach. Very mature, Steve. Didn't you supposedly hang-out with John Frame? Too bad his character didn't rub off more on you.
ReplyDeleteMaybe forward your responses onto Frame and see if he has any advice for you.
"Classy. In one post you are quoting Ron where he says Israel should be allowed to defend herself and now you are trying to associate him with anti-semites. This is just classless and slanderous, verging on bearing false testimony."
ReplyDeleteIf you haven't noticed, many of Paul's supporters, such as the Reconstructionists, are big into the '9-11 was an inside job' conspiracy and the 'the Jews are running the Federal govt.' conspiracy.
While Paul may not believe in this, many of his supporters do.
or you could read The Israel Lobby by two reputable scholars, John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt.
ReplyDeleteThis should be of interest to you, steve-o...
saint and sinner,
so what if some of Dr. Paul's supporters believe the things you mentioned? Are you telling me that Bush's or any other candidates supporters are "pure as the driven snow"?
Anonymous said:
ReplyDelete"or you could read The Israel Lobby by two reputable scholars, John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt."
Or you could read some of the many critiques of their work:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II08Ak01.html
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9999
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/060403/3edit.htm
http://www.aipac.org/Publications/SpeechesByPolicymakers/PC2007_MichaelOren.pdf
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={2364D755-8ADE-453D-B7D7-B16B66B2A0DA}
BTW, notice that one Ron Paul supporter accuses me of slander while another Ron Paul supporter concedes the charge, but then attempts to justify it.
i have not conceded any charge.
ReplyDeleteWhen you plug The Israel Lobby, you concede the charge.
ReplyDeleteanti-semitic or that Israel has an influence on our foreign policy?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said:
ReplyDelete"anti-semitic or that Israel has an influence on our foreign policy?"
Now you're retreating from you original claim through understatement. Does Israel have "influence" on our foreign policy?
Do you really think the thesis of The Israel Lobby is as tame and tepid as that?
Steve, "Now you're retreating from you original claim through understatement. Does Israel have "influence" on our foreign policy?
ReplyDeleteDo you really think the thesis of The Israel Lobby is as tame and tepid as that?"
I think they have *too* much influence, so no i'm not retreating from anything.
Just two more examples:
ReplyDeleteThe 9/11 Commission Report documents:
"By his own account, KSM's (Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) stemmed not from his experience there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel." p.147
p.147 references footnote 7 which says, "(in this regard, KSM's statements echo those of (Ramzi) Yousef, who delivered an extensive polemic against U.S. foreign policy at his January 1998 hearing)."
For you to impose conspiracy type motivations on people for their actions is quite disingenuous. You'll never solve the terrorism problem until you take away their motivations, not motivations that you attribute to them.
In case you didn't see it before..
You keep shifting gears.
ReplyDeleteAnd why should the jihadis dictate American foreign policy?
ReplyDeleteI don't attribute conspiratorial motives to the jihadis, but to the Ron Paulettes.
ReplyDeleteanon,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, if you want proof that Ron Paul supporters believe in the 'international Jewish conspiracy', go here:
http://butler-harris.org/archives/295
[If you dig through their archives, you can find plenty of references to 9-11 conspiracies.]
Second, your quotes of Khalid beg the very question under dispute. The Muhammedans want to wipe the Jewish state off the map because, under Islamic law, once a piece of land becomes Islamic it should remain Islamic. If it reverts to a previous status, it is ripe for Jihad. [Of course, all non-Islamic lands are ripe for Jihad anyway, but...]
So, the U.S. is the only ally of the one free nation in the Mid-East that is on the verge of being overrun by these terrorist monsters.
This is not to excuse everything that Israel has done, but our support of Israel must be seen in the larger context:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/crusades-stenhouse.htm
saint and sinner,
ReplyDeleteagain, who cares if that is what some RP supporters believe? I still fail to see your point nor do I see how it's necessarily a bad thing if they do.
my quotes of khalid and ramzi are really from the *other* blog post about blowback and non-interventionism. merely stating that I'm begging the question by providing their rationales for terrorism hardly begs any question. In fact, you beg the question against "Mohammedans" by assuming that they are all fundy and monolothic in their belief system. Even if that is what you think the Koran teaches, that is not necessarily what they believe. You also beg the question by not proving that your stated reason is ****their***** motivation for terrorism. Good luck with that. I know it must be tough for you to realize that people don't like sanctions and precision guided munitions killing them and their families.
Israel is hardly a 'free' country and is the only nuclear power in the immediate region (unless you include Pakistan), with over 200 nuclear weapons.
In the meantime, your ideology will continually be making the world a less safe place.