I take it by the mockery that you feel my statements were out of line.
Do you agree with Jenkins' method of counting Roman Catholics and Mormons as "Christians"? [I do, in case you were wondering.]
The question is important because if you do not include Roman Catholics, then Christianity still remains predominately white.
Also, I'm sure that you would agree that even if my statement is crap in contemporary times, it has not been so historically. Historical Protestant Christianity was extremely white and this would seem that God was electing an inordinate amount of white people.
# posted by exbeliever : 2/17/2006 5:51 PM
1.You are playing the game of identity politics. That’s essential to the Democrat party and its subsidiaries in the media, judiciary, and academia.
As a conservative, I reject the premise of identity politics.
2.Even if, for the sake of argument, election were racially discriminatory, discrimination is only wrong when it denies a party its just claims. When a party has a claim to equal rights. Sinners have no rightful claims on the mercy of God.
Remember, I’m a Calvinist. If there’s a problem here, it’s a problem for theological traditions which introduce human merit and freewill into salvation.
3.Not all racial discrimination is racist. I notice that most black churches hire black pastors. Is that racist?
4.Historical secular humanism was extremely white. Modern secular humanism isn’t much more colorful. Just mouse over to the author index at the Secular Web.
I haven’t seen anything this lily white since Birth of a Nation.
5.Incidentally, why are you tacitly assuming that I’m white? That’s a shockingly prejudicial assumption on your part. It’s possible to be a black Calvinist.
There are beaucoup Korean Calvinists as well.
6.Race is a very fluid category. What race is Tiger Woods?
7.From a Reformed standpoint, the Catholic church is not all of a piece. I wouldn’t lump together the patristic church or medieval church with the Tridentine church or the church of Vatican II.
8.I believe a certain percentage of Catholics are saved. Even a fraction of a large absolute number is still a large number, relatively speaking.
9.The knowledge of salvation is not racially or geographically static. In OT times it was extremely Jewish and this would seem that God was electing an “inordinate” number of Semites.
Before the Muslim conquest, the Mideast was Christian. Then there’s the Abyssinian church.
For a historical overview of the intricate relationship between Judaism, Christianity, and the African subcontinent, cf. Africa & the Bible (Baker 2004) by the very un-white Christian scholar, Edwin Yamauchi.
10. Since more people are living now than the sum total of those living in distant to recent the past, the fact that the Christian center of gravity is shifting from away from the dwindling population centers of the N. Hemisphere to the populous regions of the S. Hemisphere will mean that in aggregate numbers, Christianity is going to be predominately non-Caucasian.
Already, China has a huge underground church. Not to mention Korea. Or large parts of Africa.