“Steve,” said exbeliever, “You seem to think that I am making some kind of argument here.”
No, I think you’re trying to achieve by backhanded innuendo what you cannot accomplish by honest argument.
“From the beginning, I said that I was "just pointing out a pretty scary 'slippery slope.'" I said that I was worried about the implication that OTHERS could draw from one of your statements.”
I appreciate your anxiety. My influence over world affairs is vast, you know.
“If your god exists, he can elect anyone he damn well pleases. I really don't care and have nothing to say about it.”
Be careful what you ask for!
“Judging by statistics and demographics, it seems that he prefers to elect primarily white Europeans and Americans.”
Judging by the fact that you disregard evidence to the contrary, such as I already presented in my former reply.
“Now, that statement is either true or false. You can prove that statement one way or another.”
I’ll settle for false.
You are tacitly equating the elect with Western church history, which conveniently leaves out of account ANE history, Eastern church history, and future demographic trends.
“You seem to think that I am adding some kind of "identity politics" to my statement and implying, "if the statement is true, then your god is a racist and therefore must not exist." That's never been my point.”
Be sure to tell that to Mary Poppins the next time you see her.
But when you say you “could see how this could easily justify imperialism, colonization, and even racism,” the insinuation of racism is all-too obvious.
“Can you quote examples of my "tacit assumption" of your race?”
Quoting you assumes a measure of candor which is absent from your sophistry. You prefer to trade in innuendo.
No one is taken in by this. You are assuming that I’m white, and trying to put me on the defensive by imputing to me a racist theology. The strategy is less than subtle.
“Tell me, how do you know that your god is going to start electing more non-Caucasians? MUST your god now start electing more non-Caucasians because recent trends show that "the Christian center of gravity is shifting from away from the dwindling population centers of the N. Hemisphere"? Could your god NOT decide to re-center everything again in a "whiter" region of the world tomorrow, or MUST he follow the trend you cite?”
i) To begin with, I don’t have to know. I’m answering you on your own terms. You’re the one who equates election with geography.
If you’re now going to retract your operating assumption, then there’s nothing left for me to respond to.
ii) But beyond demographic projections we also have Biblical promises and prophecies which predict the global reach of the gospel (e.g. Gen 12:2-3; 13:14-16; 15:5; 16:10; 22:17-18; Ps 2; 22; 72; 110; Isa 2; 9; 19; Dan 7; Mt 28:19; Rev 5:9).
“And just so you know, Steve. I blog because I enjoy dialogue.”
And just so you know, exbeliever, I blog because truth has consequences.
I'm not just killing time until time kills me.
“In my worldview, there is nothing "at stake" in these conversations. I'm a collection of atoms that stick together for a short span of time and then disperse.”
“What I am saying is that I just don't care enough to get passionate about any of this stuff.”
What you’re saying is that when you have a worthless creed, nothing is worth getting passionate about.
At Triablogue, we play for keeps. Between your worldview and ours, everything is at stake.
“I don't have an "agenda;"
How could I have soooo misunderstood you? Maybe because you’re a team member of a blog that goes by the name of “Debunking Christianity”? Sounds like a wee bit of an agenda to me.
If you have no agenda, then why not debate both sides of the issue?
“When I feel that someone is trying to "go to war" with me in a debate, I simply lose interest because it is just not worth it to me to get someone all riled up or to get riled up myself. If you also enjoy the process of dialoguing with me, please tone it down a little.”
You either need to get a girlfriend or a pet dog. Better yet a potted plant. Orchids perhaps. Maybe a geranium or two.
Orchids make such great listeners. They have no agenda, never get passionate, never talk back—not to mention the low up-keep.