TFan has
posted a 2-part response to my discussion of divorce vis-à-vis domestic
violence. In this post I’ll reply to part 1:
The Lord hates divorce. That was one of the messages of the prophet of Malachi…So, naturally, I also hate divorce - and you should too.
Divorce is not the only thing
the Lord hates. Given what God says about marriage in Eph 5 (to take one
example), I’m sure that God also hates domestic violence.
Before we get further, though, it is perhaps important to provide a little background into what divorce is, in Biblical terms.From a Biblical standpoint, a divorce is the husband putting away the wife. The classical passage is this: Deuteronomy 24:1-4…There is no similar provision for wives in the Old Testament law. A wife could not decide that her husband was unclean and write him a bill of divorcement and put it in his hand and send him out of her house. There was no category of women divorcing their husbands.
There are several serious
problems with TFan’s appeal to Deut 24:1-4:
i) TFan doesn’t seem to grasp
the nature of case law, even though I already went over that ground. OT case
law is illustrative rather than exhaustive. It doesn’t cover every conceivable
situation. Rather, when an issue arose which wasn’t specifically addressed in
the Mosaic law, Jewish judges had to extrapolate from the nearest applicable
law. So TFan’s argument from silence is fallacious.
Notice that TFan doesn’t even
attempt to show that my explanation of case law is false. He simply ignores it.
I find it disappointing that
he refuses to argue in good faith. When he raises an objection, and I present a
counterargument, it’s incumbent on him to acknowledge and interact with the
counterargument. For him to simply repeat the same objection, as if no response
was offered, is intellectually frivolous.
ii) In addition, I presented
another counterargument. To quote myself:
To begin with, the
complementarian position is that masculine nouns and pronouns can include
women. That follows both from the conventions grammatical gender and generic
masculine usage as well as the theological fact that men can function in a
representative capacity for women.
For instance, the
soteriological and eschatological promises (or threats) of Scripture are often
addressed to male referents, yet they implicitly include women. Women as well
as men can be saved or damned.
Of course, masculine language
is sometimes used to single out males. But there’s no presumption to that
effect. Rather, that’s context-dependent.
i) In his latest response to
me, TFan blows right past that. Once again, it’s disappointing when he refuses
to argue in good faith.
ii) In addition, he’s arguing
like a feminist or egalitarian. “Evangelical feminists” deny generic masculine
usage. They assume that all grammatically masculine usage is gender-specific
and gender-exclusive. TFan seems to share the same understanding. I find it odd
that he’s siding with feministic hermeneutics.
iii) Regarding Deut 24:1-4:
if you read it carefully, this statute didn’t authorize men to divorce their
wives.
This statute doesn’t
institute, command, or condone divorce. It’s really about remarriage after
divorce rather than divorce proper. It takes a certain custom for granted, then
protects the divorcée against certain consequences of the customary divorce.
iv) To take a comparison, the
Mosaic law doesn’t ban prostitution across the board. Although prostitution is
a sin, not all sins are crimes.
Rather, the Mosaic law takes
the status quo (i.e. social reality of prostitution) for granted, then
restricts it. Jews are forbidden from being prostitutes.
Likewise, Deut 24:1-4 doesn’t
legitimate the right of a husband to divorce his wife under those
circumstances. Rather, it takes the status quo (i.e. customary divorce) for
granted, then limits remarriage under those circumstances–apparently to limit
the harm done to the divorcée, who was divorced against her will.
v) Likewise, it doesn’t
address divorce in general, but a very special case.
I’ll have more to say about
this statute in a moment:
This is important to remember when dealing with the text of Scripture. It is easy to anachronistically apply contemporary cultural norms to the text. In an age when people are redefining marriage to include reference to same sex couples, one might think that Christians would be on their guard to remember that this is not the first redefinition of marriage.
That’s a nice exercise in
well-poisoning. Remember, though, that the question at issue is whether
wife-battery is grounds for divorce. Is that “redefining” marriage? Does TFan
think wife-battery figures in the original definition of marriage, which
contemporary cultural norms are trying to redefine out of marriage?
Regardless of what the practice may or may not have been, the "bill of divorcement" passage was inauthentically interpreted by the Jewish leaders, and this wrong interpretation was corrected by Jesus [Mt 5:31-32; 19:3-10; Mk 10:2-12; Lk 16:18].Jesus' argument relies on the authority of the institution of marriage [Gen 2:22-24].The apparent rabbinical view was that the "uncleanness" mentioned was anything that the husband found undesirable. Jesus, however, tightly confined the exception to adultery/fornication.So, what the law says is that there is one legitimate ground of divorce, and that is fornication/adultery (see Jesus' own interpretation of Deuteronomy above). Moreover, it was not supposed to be the mere suspicion of that fornication/adultery (for mere suspicion there was a remedy in Numbers 5).
Several more problems:
i) It’s odd that TFan also
quotes the Markan and Lukan passages to establish adultery/fornication as the
one legitimate ground of divorce, for those Synoptic variants lack the
exceptive clauses in Matthew.
ii) This also illustrates the
weakness of TFan’s argument from silence. One the one hand, Mark and Luke give
no grounds for divorce. On the other hand, Matthew only gives a single ground
for divorce.
iii) Moreover, the exceptive
clauses in Matthew are worded in terms that apparently exclude any other
grounds for divorce. Yet TFan will later concede that 1 Cor 7:15 offers an
additional ground for divorce–desertion.
iv) It’s also unclear to me
why TFan limits the exceptive clauses to “adultery/fornication.” As I pointed
out before, porneia has a wider semantic range. It covers a range of sexual
immorality, viz., adultery, fornication, incest, bestiality, and homosexuality.
Now, perhaps TFan would say
that although the word has multiple meanings, the context of Matthew narrows
the semantic scope.
Or he might say that although
incest, bestiality, and homosexuality aren’t inherently adulterous, inasmuch as
single men and women can commit these sins, yet they are adulterous if a
married man or woman commits them.
But as it stands, his usage
lacks due qualifications.
v) I’m also unclear on why he
thinks fornication is grounds for divorce. In standard usage, fornication
denotes premarital sex, in contrast to extramarital sex. Is he claiming that
unless a man or woman is a virgin on their wedding night, that that’s grounds
for divorce?
What about someone who was
sexually active before he (or she) became a Christian? Is he debarred from
marriage? Considering the fact that many 1C converts to Christianity were
former pagans, it’s unrealistic to think most of them were celibate prior to
marriage. For instance, Greek males typically deferred marriage until the age
of 30. In the interim, they had recourse to prostitutes.
vi) For some strange reason,
TFan seems to think Jesus is correcting the rabbinic interpretation of Deut
24:1-4. I don’t see where he finds that in the text. Rather, I see Jesus doing
something more radical. Rather than correcting their misinterpretation of Deut
24:1-4, he corrects their misvaluation of Deut 24:1-4. He denies the
normativity of Deut 24:1-4.
Jesus bypasses the appeal to
Deut 24:1-4 by going back to Gen 1-2. He treats Gen 1-2 as the primary,
normative passage, while he demotes Deut 24:1-4 to a pragmatic, ad hoc
concession to the reality of sin.
Put another way, he abrogates
Deut 24:1-4 by sidestepping and sidelining Deut 24:1-4. Jesus opposes Gen 1-2
to Deut 24:1-4.
vii) It doesn’t make sense to
think Deut 24:1-4 alludes to adultery as the ground for divorce. The Mosaic
punishment for adultery isn’t divorce, but execution. There’s a different
statute that deals with adultery (22:22).
Based on linguistic and
contextual evidence, Bock and Walton think Deut 24:1 has in view a chronic
menstrual irregularity which renders the wife ritually impure, thereby
precluding conjugal relations (cf. Lev 12:2-8; 15:14).
However, it’s unnecessary for
us to identify the underlying condition. It’s sufficient to point out that
adultery is contextually excluded.
For a post entitled
“Understanding Divorce from a Biblical Perspective,” I’m afraid don’t see the
evidence that TFan has actually done his exegetical spadework. It seems to be
more a matter of rote prooftexting to retroactively validate a foregone
conclusion.
In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul describes marriage and provides for the case of a believing spouse married to an unbelieving spouse. Jesus and Paul command:So, Paul announces the general rule that husbands and wives should stay together and if, despite this command, they separate they should only remain unmarried or be reconciled to their spouse.Paul then turns to the specific case of unbelief. Husbands are not to divorce their wives and women are not to leave their husbands over disbelief. However, if an unbelieving spouse desires to break the marriage, the believing spouse is allowed to permit this.This provides a second exception to the general rule. The general rule is "no divorce," and the two exceptions are a breaking off of the marriage by an unbeliever and adultery/fornication. For those of us who are Presbyterian, our confession of faith also affirms this (Westminster Confession of Faith 24:5&6).There are no other grounds for divorce authorized in Scripture. So, it gives me great sorrow to read Christian brethren promoting the idea of divorce in other cases.For example, I recently read a Christian brother's blog, in which he tried to argue that "domestic violence" is a legitimate ground of divorce. The Scriptures don't teach this, and our confession doesn't recognize this ground.P.S. It might be interesting to get into the question of whether women should be permitted to divorce their husbands at all (given that the law does not provide for it), but that question goes beyond the scope of this post.
This is confused on several
grounds:
i) To begin with, TFan has
offered what appear to be contradictory statements on 1 Cor 7:15. In an earlier
response to me, he said:
Turretinfan10/18/2012 2:50 PM
Where does the Bible ever speak of a woman divorcing her husband?
Turretinfan10/18/2012 4:01 PM
In 1 Corinthians 7 Paul addresses the issue of the attempted desertion of a believing spouse by an unbelieving spouse. You are right that a kind of gender neutrality is maintained. Neither a Christian man nor a Christian woman is to prevent the desertion of the unbelieving spouse. You should notice, however, that divorce is not mentioned. May I encourage you to re-read the context of the verse you quoted, and you will see the contrast between men divorcing and women leaving.
Here he seems to deny that 1
Cor 7 is even referring to divorce. “You should notice, however, that divorce
is not mentioned.”
Yet in the same paragraph he
also says “you will see the contrast between men divorcing and women
leaving”–which seems to concede that it does address divorce, but limits that
to a male prerogative.
Yet in the same paragraph he
also says “You are right that a kind of gender neutrality is maintained.”
And in his latest reply, he
says:
“There is some question about
whether women ever divorced their husbands even in the NT era. There is no
discussion about wives writing writs of divorcement for their husbands, and yet
the discussion of marriage relationships is sometimes balanced (see Mark
10:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 7).”
But if the discussion is
“balanced,” if “a kind of gender
neutrality is maintained,” then there’s no “contrast between men divorcing and
women leaving.”
On the face of it, TFan is
twisting himself in knots. I think the reason for his contradictory explanations
is that he wants to reserve 1 Cor 7:15 as a prooftext for the right of men to
divorce women, but not vice versa. Unfortunately for him, appeal to 1 Cor 7:15
either proves too much or too little. If it’s a prooftext for divorce, then it
applies irrespectively to husbands and wives. The only way of denying that to
women is to deny it to men.
Apparently, that’s why TFan
is so equivocal in his treatment of 1 Cor 7:15.
ii) Sensing, perhaps, the
inadequacy of his exegetical arguments, TFan tries to bolster his case by a
last-ditch appeal to the Westminster Confession. But that’s an illicit appeal
to authority. You can’t rightly invoke the WCF to leverage the interpretation
of Scripture. Your exegesis just stand or fall on the merits.
iii) Moreover, his appeal to
the WCF is self-defeating. For the WCF doesn’t confine the right of divorce to
husbands. For the WCF says:
Adultery or fornication committed after a contract, being detected before marriage, gives just occasion to the innocent party to dissolve that contract. In the case of adultery after marriage, it is lawful for the innocent party to sue out a divorce and, after the divorce, to marry another, as if the offending party were dead (24:5).
That clearly applies without
respect to gender, for wives as well as husbands can be the “innocent party.”
Clearly a husband can be the “offending party.”
iv) That’s also the
traditional understanding of the passage. As A. A. Hodge says, in his classic
commentary on the WCF,
It is allowed by Paul to the Christian husband or wife deserted by their heathen partner.
v) In addition, the WCF is a
17C document. But 17C society was quite hierarchical. You had upperclass women
and lower class men. For instance, when Richard Baxter married Margaret
Charlton, he married up. She was his social superior. His father was genteel
poor whereas her father was a wealthy justice of the peace.
Does TFan think Puritan or
Anglican women in the 17C never had the legal right to divorce their husbands?
If we’re going to interpret the WCF in its historical context, we have to take
social class into account. Some women outranked some men. And that had legal
implications.
This exchange is highly illustrative and of course nominative, "divorce". Two Titans of the Faith once delivered to the Saints going over the question at hand!
ReplyDeleteI wanted to comment on Due. 24:4 and only one part in light of this sentence:
"...Based on linguistic and contextual evidence, Bock and Walton think Deut 24:1 has in view a chronic menstrual irregularity which renders the wife ritually impure, thereby precluding conjugal relations (cf. Lev 12:2-8; 15:14)."
That portion of verse four that seems to me to substantiate them is:
after she has been defiled,
Seems the issue is defilement discovered after marriage that brings about the writ? All things considered we are still at that place in history where one would think inside the traditions of Judaism or those of any society and culture the young man and woman would be allowed to come together emotionally and have feelings for one another and that would govern the marriage? Rigid cultural norms seem to be out of bounds to reasoned people then and in these days who want/ed the marriage to be built on a loving relationship between them not on convenience or someone's propriety?
I also want to say that narrowing the focus on Dueteronomy 24 would generally be dealing with that matter of defilement not divorce persay although one wonders if the man and woman were allowed to have the pre-marital courtship and relationship, something like Joseph and Mary and then Joseph, once he realized Mary was pregnant, wanted to put her away privately, the writ would come after the fact not before?
I like the clarity of your point that adultery according to the law was execution not divorce although in some sense pondering that historical story of Joseph and Mary one could easily be anachronistic believing even in those days when Dueteronomy was being written fathers and mothers and family and friends, the affront of the virgin being pregnant aside, they would, too, be looking for a way out privately as Joseph was looking when he realized Mary was pregnant?
Afterall God is a merciful God (the Law kills and the Spirit gives life) and so, thankfully for us, He too is always looking for a way to reach His own through Christ, then and now, albeit then it was based in His character to cover the sins(the woman caught in the very act of adultery) even under the Law (Exo 20:6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.)?
Just as a minor correction - Steve is a titan, I'm not. I'm a nobody. I appreciate the opportunity to interact with Steve, but I don't pretend to be in the same league as he is.
Delete“Evangelical feminists” deny generic masculine usage. They assume that all grammatically masculine usage is gender-specific and gender-exclusive.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this statement is correct. Rather, 'evangelical feminists' claim that most generic masculine usage is insignificant and is actually equivalent to non-gender specific usage, hence we can drop the masculine-specific usage and use 'they' instead of 'he' etc.., all in the name of 'understandibility' to the modern culture. And this includes some complementarians such as D.A. Carson and Doug Moo, who are both pro the new NIV as far as I understand.
Of course it seems quite clear that the underlying reason is actually a pressure from the culture not to give any appearance of prominence to males.
A good article to see some of this kind of thing in play is:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/adelphos.html
"Rather, 'evangelical feminists' claim that most generic masculine usage is insignificant."
DeleteTo the contrary, they think it's highly significant. They think language is power, and generic masculine languages excludes women. That's why they press for unisex language.
That manifests their inconsistency. They think it's important enough to change.
DeleteI think you are referring to their claim about generic masculine usage in our modern age, I'm referring to their claim about usage in the Bible, which they have to argue is insignificant if they are to maintain any credibility when they claim their respect for faithful translation, since they change it.
DeleteSteve,
ReplyDeleteI was wondering what you think of David Instone-Brewer's work on divorce and remarriage. Also, I was wondering if you thought his essays on 1 Corinthians 7 might be applicable in this conversation.
http://www.tyndalehouse.com/TynBul/Library/TynBull_2001_52_1_05_Brewer_1Cor7.pdf
http://www.tyndalehouse.com/TynBul/Library/TynBull_2001_52_2_04_Brewer_1Cor7DivorcePapyri.pdf
I think his work is very timely. I might post those. I'll read the TynB stuff later.
ReplyDeletesteve said:
ReplyDelete"vi) For some strange reason, TFan seems to think Jesus is correcting the rabbinic interpretation of Deut 24:1-4. I don’t see where he finds that in the text. Rather, I see Jesus doing something more radical. Rather than correcting their misinterpretation of Deut 24:1-4, he corrects their misvaluation of Deut 24:1-4. He denies the normativity of Deut 24:1-4.
Jesus bypasses the appeal to Deut 24:1-4 by going back to Gen 1-2. He treats Gen 1-2 as the primary, normative passage, while he demotes Deut 24:1-4 to a pragmatic, ad hoc concession to the reality of sin.
Put another way, he abrogates Deut 24:1-4 by sidestepping and sidelining Deut 24:1-4. Jessu opposes Gen 1-2 to Deut 24:1-4. "
To me, this is the most interesting aspect of the debate. The implications seem profound. I'd like to see this fleshed out more fully.