Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Vatican draft document would approve condoms for married couples with AIDS

From Steve:

This article helps to place the pope's recent comment on condom use in the context of recent deliberations in the hierarchy.

3 comments:

  1. Did you happen to notice this article is date April 25 2006??? nearly 5 years ago?

    Three points to be made: First don't hold your breath thinking any broad "liberalization" is on the horizon, Second consideration of these issues has been ongoing for a long time and Third BXVI is in some sense responding to this ongoing speculation.

    I would point out that your posting of this article at all, and especially without noting the date of the article (and the fact that the rumored letter never materialized) could easily be interpreted to arise from very ugly motivations.

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  2. Paul in the GNW,

    Did you happen to notice that the Pope just gave a book length interview to a German newspaper entitled "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times", and that the Vatican newspaper ran excerpts of the book on Saturday 11/20/2010?

    Three points to be made: First the article Steve links to is a mere 5 years old, and now the Pope is on the record encouraging sodomites to wear prophylactics to avoid HIV transmission, Second for the Vatican to move this quickly (just 5 years) indicates this is a "fast track" item for BXVI, and Third through his interview BXVI is clearly preparing the faithful for the forthcoming approval of condom use for married couples with AIDS.

    It's called a slippery slope for a reason.

    I would point out that the posting your comment at all, especially without noting the recent interview given by BXVI (and the fact that these developments are being reported by Protestants) could easily be interpreted to arise from very ugly motivations.

    In Christ,
    CD

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  3. PAUL IN THE GNW SAID:

    "Did you happen to notice this article is date April 25 2006??? nearly 5 years ago?"

    Which is why this article supplies useful background information when we interpret the pope's statement. This didn't come out of the blue.

    "Three points to be made: First don't hold your breath thinking any broad 'liberalization' is on the horizon, Second consideration of these issues has been ongoing for a long time and Third BXVI is in some sense responding to this ongoing speculation."

    i) According to a Vatican spokesman, the pope has already broadened the scope of his original statement:

    "The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, told reporters Tuesday that he asked the pope whether he intended his comments to apply only to men. Benedict replied that it really didn't matter, the important thing was that the person took into consideration the life of another."

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/pope-comments-condoms-hiv-broadened/

    ii) I didn't say if it represents a "liberalization" in the Vatican's policy. But it may well represent a shift.

    "I would point out that your posting of this article at all, and especially without noting the date of the article (and the fact that the rumored letter never materialized) could easily be interpreted to arise from very ugly motivations."

    i) It could be taken that way by paranoid Catholics like yourself.

    ii) The date of the article is given in the linked article. Nothing underhanded about this.

    iii) You keep acting as if the date of the article somehow undermines the point. To the contrary, the pope's recent statement is apparently part of an incremental policy shift.

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