“Conclusive proof that the Bible is NOT inerrant! The question is, do the erroneous statements in Joshua 10:12- 13 conclusively prove the Bible is not inerrant?”
Wow! Joshua’s Long Day. Is that in the Bible? Or is it one of those ticking time bombs which the Vatican kept under wraps for all these year? I guess that this is something Westcott and Hort snuck into the Bible when no one was looking as part of their master plan to destroy the Christian faith.
Brace yourself for Ron Howard’s movie version of Joshua’s Long Day, starring Tom Hanks and Angelina Jolie.
Honestly, you have to wonder where John Loftus finds these guys. Did Paladin join the Debunkers after he flunked his audition for American Idol?
It’s funny how apostates suddenly “discover” these “shocking” revelations about the Bible. Things which Jews and Christians have known about for millennia. Our apostates then rush their discoveries to press as if no one had ever hear of them before.
"The errors in these verses would be obvious to a 6th grade science student. The error is the claim that God held the Sun still to extend the day so that Joshua could have daylight to continue his battle. The Sun is ALREADY a stationary celestial object. The Sun does not orbit the Earth, the Earth orbits the Sun, and rotates on an axis, giving the illusion that the Sun moves. If God wanted to extend the day, he would have to hold the Earth, not the Sun, stationary.”
The “error” of geocentrism is only obvious if, like Paladin, you operate at the mental level of a sixth-grader.
Actually, that’s not fair to sixth-graders. Many 10-year-old homeschoolers are far more sophisticated than he is.
An astute geocentrist would have no difficulty fielding the “obvious” objections to his position. For example:
“I therefore maintain that if the Book of Joshua was "divinely inspired", and dictated verbatim by God, as fundamentalists and evangelicals claim, then God flat-out lied or made an error!”
Yet another no-knowing apostate. The dictation theory is not the standard theory of inspiration in fundamentalist and evangelical circles. Rather, the organic theory, advocated by Warfield, among others, is the standard theory. Here’s a well-known and representative statement (From the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy) of what the organic theory entails:
We affirm that God in His Work of inspiration utilized the distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers whom He had chosen and prepared.
We deny that God, in causing these writers to use the very words that He chose, overrode their personalities.
We deny that it is proper to evaluate Scripture according to standards of truth and error that are alien to its usage or purpose. We further deny that inerrancy is negated by Biblical phenomena such as a lack of modern technical precision, irregularities of grammar or spelling, observational descriptions of nature, the reporting of falsehoods, the use of hyperbole and round numbers, the topical arrangement of material, variant selections of material in parallel accounts, or the use of free citations.
As regards the passage in question, Paladin overlooks a couple of elementary considerations:
i) The narrative viewpoint is explicitly local rather than global. The sun appeared at Gibeon and the moon in the valley of Aijalon. So the description represents the perspective of an earth-bound observer.
ii) In addition, the author of Joshua is probably quoting verbatim from the book of Jashar. Scholars disagree on where the quotation begins and ends. For example, Woudstra, in a standard commentary on Joshua (p174), thinks that the quotation extends from v12 to v15.
The book of Jashar is generally thought to be a poetic and panegyric national epic.
The fact that the author of Joshua has lifted a direct quote this hortatory encomium in tribute to a military hero does not commit him to a cosmographical theory—any more than singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic commits the audience to a particular reconstruction of the Civil War, or singing Stan Roger’s Northwest Passage commits one to a particular map of the Yukon. This is martial poesy, like the Iliad or the Song of Roland.
“The God who created the Universe, stars, planets, and our own Sun, obviously wasn't aware of the very astronomical phenomena he created. If you think this is "nit-picking" what many have claimed is simply a figure of speech, then consider that when Copernicus postulated that the Earth orbited the Sun, and not vice-versa, he was branded a heretic because his claim contradicted the afore-mentioned verses, so obviously there was a time when the Church didn't consider this a "play on words" and took these verses literally.”
Yet another ignorant move on the part of Paladin. He’s reading the verse through the lens of the Copernican revolution and the Galileo affair, as if the author of Joshua were writing from the perspective of Ptolemy.
But this is grossly anachronistic. Ptolemaic astronomy was a Hellenistic synthesis of Babylonian astromancy and Greek mathematics.
The ancient Israelites took no theoretical interest in celestial mechanics.
“Another argument is that God understood that mankind didn't understand astronomical phenomanae at that time, so he used terminology people could understand. The flaws in this are that one, you are saying that God coddles ignorance, and two, by default, are admitting that God lied in the same way that a parent lies to a child by telling him/her that Santa Claus exists, and does so to 'coddle' their child like understanding of reality. Regardless, God still LIED, whatever his motivation, if he did, in fact, inspire the Book of Joshua.”
That is not my argument. However, even if it were my argument, to equate accommodation with deception is simple-minded.
For one thing, when a modern-day scientist tries to explain atomic theory or relativity or quantum mechanics or string theory to a popular audience, he will often resort to picturesque illustrations that are not literally accurate. Audience adaptation is not the same thing as a lie.
And for another thing, anyone who has a hang-up about indulging a child’s fantasy-life is seriously deficient in his parenting skills. Paladin is more uptight than a corseted, Victorian schoolmarm.
All Paladin has proven is that Loftus was able to scrounge up one more wormy, rotten apple from the bottom of the barrel.