Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Let's play God for a day!

"God could’ve created all human beings with one color of skin. There has been too much killing, slavery, and wars because we are not one race with one language."

http://adebateontheproblemofevil.blogspot.com/2007/01/extent-of-suffering-in-our-world-makes.html

Let’s extend Loftus’ irresistible logic to a few more showcase examples:

1.Beautiful women tempt some men to commit fornication and adultery.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no beautiful women.

On the Loftus scale of values, a world without beautiful women is better than a world with beautiful women.

Bye, bye Lena Horne. Bye, bye Dolores Del Rio.

2.If it weren’t for the existence of women, there would be no female rape victims.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no women—beautiful or otherwise.

A world without women is better than a world with women.

Alternative: in a perfect world, all men would be eunuchs.

Will Loftus lead by example?

3.Fashion-conscious people are vain.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, everyone would dress in Maoist fatigues.

Lipstick would be banned.

All women would have buzz-cuts.

O, I forgot, in a perfect world there would be no women.

4.Kids sometimes break the China.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no kids.

Kids are such a nuisance anyway.

5.Puppies sometimes wet the rug.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no puppies.

6.The poor often envy the rich.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, everyone would be equally poor.

7. Some people overeat.

In a perfect world, there would be no ice cream. Just soybeans and tofu.

8.Sunbathers frequently get sunburn.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no sandy beaches or sunny weather.

A world with gray, overcast skies is better than a world with sunshine.

9.Some people use their fingers to make obscene gestures.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no fingers—just bony, fleshy stumps.

10.Dogs sometimes bite the hand that feeds them.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, there would be no pet dogs. (Not to mention kittens!).

11.Some people play their music too loud.

Therefore, in a perfect world, there would be no music.

12.The sense of touch tempts some people to commit fornication and adultery.

Therefore, if Loftus were God, hugs and kisses would be banned.

On second thought, in a perfect world there’d be nothing worth hugging.

13.To be continued…

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23 comments:

  1. that's super, Steve. The love of Christ is quite evident in your words. Where do I sign up?

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  2. Anonymous said...

    "that's super, Steve. The love of Christ is quite evident in your words. Where do I sign up?"

    that's super, Anon. Have you ever tried defining the love of Christ by Scripture? Mt 23? Mt 25? 2 Thes 1:5ff.? Rev 6:10? Rev 14:11? Rev 18? Rev 19? Rev 20?

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  3. HA!! That's cute. You've been convicted by the Holy Spirit of your sin, and yet you still sin.

    Typical.

    "let your light shine...."

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  4. I have a feeling anonymous would see a child walking down the interstate and not move to rescue him because, out of "love", he wouldn't want to offend the poor child by removing him from a place of joy....

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  5. Great illustration, calvindude!

    You are so right!

    I can't begin to explain the love I've seen shown to me by the loving christians of t-blog.

    The love is just gushing out all over the place...I can barely stand it!

    Feel the love flowing from Steve and Calvindude!

    MMMM!!!! If only God would choose me too!!! its so shocking that I still am not drawn to christ after experiencing so much agape love here!

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  6. Our struggle with understanding The hows and whys of evil in the creation is difficult for sure.
    However, it does not disprove the fact that the Christian God of the Bible is the creator of the universe.

    The atheist is obligated to show how something came from nothing apart from an intellingent supreme being causing it.

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  7. It's interesting. Sometimes there's only one way to show atheists how bad an argument is: Use the same argument with different ingredients, so that the conclusion is obviously absurd.

    Then, when a Christian does this, we hear, "That's not loving!" So the conversation goes like this:

    ATHEIST: "I've got an awesome argument. It refutes theism."

    THEIST: "Well, using your argument, we also arrive at results X, Y, and Z, which are clearly bad.

    ATHEIST: "You see! That's the reason I don't become a Christian!"

    Right. People don't become Christians because some guys at Triablogue annoy them. And I don't become a Scientologist because I hated Mission Impossible. (There, I did it. So now people can complain that I'm not loving.)

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  8. Atheists: Stop bitching already. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of your whining about Christians being mean. How old are you all again? Are you going to go tell mommy? Is it impossible to use sarcasm with you people without breaking your fragile little hearts? Is your skin really this thin?

    Give me a break; I've seen many of you write much harsher things toward Christians, and you surely aren't this sensitive in your daily interactions with other people. I'm not buying the sob stories about how Steve being a mean, sarcastic Christian keeps you from accepting Christ. Cowboy up, stop crying, and get back to debating the issues.

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  9. Travis, you go girl!

    Ha! Its so funny to see you christians blather on and on about atheists....as if a non-believer has a choice in the matter.

    Can I make myself be a Christian? Can I willingly choose to be regenerated anew?

    No? Then zip it.

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  10. Anonymous,

    I'm sorry for all the pain I may have caused you. I do love you. I'd like to wish you a early happy Valentine's Day. I know what you need... another silly love song, and so this is goes out to you, and all the other atheists who haven't had enough sunshine blown up their skirts

    Silly Love Songs by Paul McCartney

    You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs
    But I look around me and I see it isn't so
    Some people wanna fill the world with silly love songs
    And what's wrong with that
    I'd like to know
    Cause here I go again

    I love you, I love you
    I love you, I love you

    I can't explain the feeling's plain to me
    Now, can't you see?
    Ah, she gave me more she gave it all to me
    Now, can't you see?
    What's wrong with that?
    I need to know
    Cause here I go again

    I love you, I love you

    Love doesn't come in a minute
    Sometimes it doesn't come at all
    I only know that when I'm in it
    It isn't silly, no, it isn't silly
    Love isn't silly at all

    How can I tell you about my loved one?
    How can I tell you about my loved one?
    (I love you)
    How can I tell you about my loved one?
    (I love you)
    How can I tell you about my loved one?
    I love you, I love you

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  11. Atheists, will you forgive me? Check []yes or []no.
    Love, Paul

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  12. Oh, Anonymous, that's so sarcastic and hurtful. My feeling are definitely damaged right now. I can't believe that atheists, who profess to be so open-minded and tolerant would treat a fellow human being this way. Oh, it's so distressing. You see, this is why I can't become an atheist. Either they're really, really mean and nasty people who use *sarcasm* and hurt my feelings, or they're pansies who cry every time someone doesn't shower them with praise and pity.

    Yes, Anon, you can willingly choose. Calvinism, and indeed all forms of compatibilism, never deny that one has the ability to choose. Nice try, but perhaps next time you should familiarize yourself with the positions you attempt to ridicule.

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  13. As bad as Loftus is, one can only hope T-stone doesn't continue posting.

    The most distasteful people on this site aren't the vulgar atheists, but the liberal sympathizers who are supposed to be on our side (Exist Dissolve, Touchstone, etc.).

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  14. I love you Paul's buddy. Thanks for taking so much of your time to write a rap for me. Guess what? You're always on my mind too. And so that's why I'm dedicating this song to you.

    You Are Always On My Mind - By Willie Nelson.

    Maybe I didn't treat you
    Quite as good as I should have
    Maybe I didn't love you
    Quite as often as I could have
    Little things I should have said and done
    I just never took the time
    You were always on my mind
    You were always on my mind

    Maybe I didn't hold you
    All those lonely, lonely times
    And I guess I never told you
    I'm so happy that you're mine

    If I made you feel second best
    Girl I'm so sorry I was blind
    You were always on my mind
    You were always on my mind

    Tell me, tell me that your sweet love hasn't died
    Give me, give me one more chance to keep you satisfied, satisfied

    Little things I should have said and done
    I just never took the time
    You were always on my mind
    You were always on my mind
    You were always on my mind

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  15. I have a question for theists that claim God is solely moral:

    If God did commit moral, non-moral and immoral acts, what necessarily (not merely “possibly”) would be different in the world today?

    In other words, would our universe look any different if God is moral, non-moral and immoral as compared to a God that is solely moral?

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  16. Travis said:

    "Yes, Anon, you can willingly choose. Calvinism, and indeed all forms of compatibilism, never deny that one has the ability to choose."

    Travis, I can not willingly choose. I don't believe in Jehovah. Its a silly idea to me. Saying the words "I choose to believe in you, I submit my heart, and await my eternal reward!" does nothing to "really" make me believe. That has to be given to me by your supposed God, correct?

    So no, I can't "choose" to believe.

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  17. Paul, thanks for that great song! Isn't it great to know that God ordained we'd both be doing such useful things with our time today?

    glory be!

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  18. "In other words, would our universe look any different if God is moral, non-moral and immoral as compared to a God that is solely moral?"

    God's morality is part of His eternal, changeless nature. It is neither above Him nor is it below Him but part of Him and essential to His being. Thus, your question is a "nonsense" question, similar to asking what would the world be like if 2+2=10,250,456.

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  19. Anonymous wrote:

    "Travis, I can not willingly choose. I don't believe in Jehovah. Its a silly idea to me. Saying the words "I choose to believe in you, I submit my heart, and await my eternal reward!" does nothing to "really" make me believe. That has to be given to me by your supposed God, correct?

    So no, I can't "choose" to believe."

    Well if you merely meant to claim that, because doxastic involuntarism is true, then you can't "choose"--that is, just up and decide all of a sudden--to make yourself believe something, then I fail to see your overall point here.

    Sure, it's true that we cannot will ourselves to believe things that we don't think to be true all of sudden. I can't will myself to believe that I am 6'5", and I couldn't do so even if someone offered me a million dollars to do so. So doxastic involuntarism is true at least to a point.

    But why would that be relevant here?

    I had just let atheists know what I thought about their whining and their hypocrisy. Then you come along and talk about why you can't will yourself to believe something. (I understood this first as being a sarcastic comment about Reformed theology; and indeed, that would at least make a little more sense than the response you now say you meant from the beginning.)

    So could you please explain the relevance of your claim of being unable to spontaneously induce belief to my previous comments? There's a lot more to be said on the subject of culpable unbelief, but let me ask you this: Did I scold atheists for their unbelief in the post to which you responded, or just for their behavior? Are atheists also unable to control their behavior, so it's not under their power to refrain from whining and employing double-standards concerning politeness?

    Rather than being an ignorant bit of sarcasm, your comment now appears to simply have had no relevance to the discussion at hand in general, and to my post in particular.

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  20. Young Master Travis,

    1. I said:

    "Can I make myself be a Christian? Can I willingly choose to be regenerated anew?

    No? Then zip it."

    2. You said:

    "Yes, Anon, you can willingly choose."

    3. I said:

    "Travis, I can not willingly choose. I don't believe in Jehovah. Its a silly idea to me. Saying the words "I choose to believe in you, I submit my heart, and await my eternal reward!" does nothing to "really" make me believe. That has to be given to me by your supposed God, correct?

    So no, I can't "choose" to believe."


    What is difficult for you to understand here?

    I see that YOU have the problem now, as you are claiming above that I can CHOOSE to be 'regenerated' with a saving belief in Christ.

    Oops! Heresy!!!! Watch out for Calvin's brood, as they've been known to torch people for that sort of thinking....

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  21. As bad as Loftus is, one can only hope T-stone doesn't continue posting.

    The most distasteful people on this site aren't the vulgar atheists, but the liberal sympathizers who are supposed to be on our side (Exist Dissolve, Touchstone, etc.).


    I concur.

    I agree.

    I'll second that.

    Copy that.

    True dat.

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  22. Anonymous:

    You ask: "What is difficult for you to understand here?"

    I just spent several paragraphs explaining that. What's difficult to understand is how it is relevant to the comment of mine to which you posted yours in reply. Again, I ask you: How is it relevant?

    Rather than quoting yourself writing the exact words concerning which I question the relevance, and throwing out sarcastic remarks about John Calvin, you could have spent time just answering my simple question.

    You write: "I see that YOU have the problem now, as you are claiming above that I can CHOOSE to be 'regenerated' with a saving belief in Christ."

    No, I don't have a problem. It is a pity that you are so overwhelmingly ignorant of the positions you try to attack with sarcastic one-liners. One is indeed free, at least in some sense, to choose Christ; this Calvinists have never denied. The problem with human beings in their natural state, apart from the working of the Holy Spirit in their hearts pertains to our desires--we don't want to choose Christ, and therefore we will not.

    You are in no way constrained by external forces from accepting Christ. You are free to do what you want to do the most. (Yet, what you want to do is not to accept Christ.) You are therefore free to choose Christ, albeit not in the libertarian sense. And this is what I tried to point out to you earlier, but you're clearly not in the habit of actually paying attention to what others have to say; you are far too busy with ridicule to have time for reason.

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