Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Skin-deep

A skinheadist…I mean…kinist blogger has commented on some of my recent posts. Needless to say, he doesn’t offer anything resembling a rational refutation of what I said.

He does, however, have some colorful epithets at his disposal. For instance, he calls me a “Race Mixer.”

I confess I’ve never seen a Race Mixer. Is that a cross between a cocktail mixer and a relay runner?

He also calls me a “Bloodsmutter”—which is better than a Bloods Mutter, but much worse than a Blood Mutters. Or so I imagine.

BTW, given chronic shortages in the national blood supply, I think kinists should be required by law to carry cards which state that under no circumstances would they accept a transfusion from a donor of the “wrong” race. That would free up more hemoglobin for the rest of us in case of major surgery.

He then refers the Master Race to a critique of my position by someone he calls Pastor Bret McAtee. I notice that McAtee is a contributor to lewrockwell.com, which tells you a lot about Lew Rockwell.

So what does the good “Pastor” have to say?

“The social views of blacks, if we are to take voting habits for the Democratic party as an indicator, has been uniform for quite some time regardless of the color of the Democrat at the top of the ticket. The Black candidate Obama may get a few more percentage points of support among the Black community but not enough to suggest that voting habits of Blacks in this election is anything different from other elections.”

http://ironink.org/index.php?blog=1&title=interacting_with_tribalogue&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

From what I’ve read, Obama is expected to garner a significantly higher percentage of the black vote than Kerry got in ’04.

“It is not ethnic or racial identity as ethnic or racial identity that is sinful per se.”

I never said it was. Rather, I said it was a question of priorities.

“It is certainly understandable that ‘blood is thicker than water’.”

Not surprisingly, that’s a German proverb. Kinism as quite a lot in common with German philosophy—especially between 1933 and 1945.

“What is sinful and what the vicarious symbolism reflects is that the people group in question (with notable exceptions), as evidenced by their voting habits, incarceration habits, crime habits, and welfare habits have rejected Christ. Their joint voting for Obama merely reinforces the reality of that rejection.”

Coming from the lips of a kinist, this is rather like John Spong denouncing Harry Emerson Fosdick for apostasy. Somehow it’s hard to tell the difference.

“There is nothing ironic about racial and ethnic solidarity.”

I never said there was. The irony lay in parallel between Southern white Confederates and black Obama supporters.

“It seems that White people are the only ethnic people who don’t practice it.”

Of course, if you have to “practice” racial solidarity, then you’re pretending to be something you’re not. I might as well practice having chest hair or blue eyes.

“Second, White Southerners, during the ramp up to the Second War for American Independence, were responding to a mortal threat from an enemy who were threatening to destroy them and their way of life.”

Well, that’s a bit overstated. For one thing, B. B. Warfield’s kin (to take one example) fought for the Union, not the Confederacy. Yet Warfield’s kin were white Southerners, too.

“What is sadly predictable is that this writer has only read the court historians, and as such he is clueless about the various motives that inspired Southerners.”

I see. So Thornwell and Dabney were merely “court historians”—oblivious to the real motives of white Southerners. Kinists really do need to devise a DNA test to distinguish true white Southerners from false white Southerners. Before we can segregate blacks from whites, we need to segregate true whites from false whites and true Southerners from false Southerners—not to mention true white Southerners from false white Southerners. It’s all so confusing.

“The Southerners did not defend themselves against the onslaught of Northern tyranny with the primary purpose of defending the institution of slavery.”

Well, whatever their “primary” motive was, Dabney wrote a whole book defending Southern slavery in relation to the Civil War—while the fourth volume of Thornwell’s Collected Writings devotes quite a lot of space to the very same subject. . I prefer to get my Confederate history from real dead Confederates rather than wistful wannabes.

“If men like Dabney and Thornwell did have social and emotional attachments, they had social and emotional attachments to a culture that was largely Christian.”

If it was largely Christian, then it was Christian in spite of race-based bondage.

“Are the social and emotional attachments of the Black community to B. Hussein Obama and the Democratic party social and emotional attachment that are largely Christian?”

No more or less Christian than the Confederate cause.

“Yes, I would say they are a reverse mirror image. Whereas White Southerners united together in order to resist tyranny, Blacks are uniting together in order to embrace tyranny and slavery.”

I’m all for resisting tyranny. And if the white Southerners had the right to resist Northern tyranny, then black Southerners had the right to resist Southern tyranny.

9 comments:

  1. “If men like Dabney and Thornwell did have social and emotional attachments, they had social and emotional attachments to a culture that was largely Christian.”


    This is yet another of those statements that comes from the keyboards of those men living in the imaginary world of the Great While Christian Antebellum Period.

    There's a difference between people being nominally Christian and actually Christian. It's true that the Antebellum South was nominally Christian, but by the same token it's equally true that actual regenerate persons were considered rare indeed, even in the Antebellum South of the 19th century. These people are living in a world of their vain imaginings. They may as well start talking about Jewish genealogies...

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  2. Of course, if you have to “practice” racial solidarity, then you’re pretending to be something you’re not. I might as well practice having chest hair or blue eyes.

    Nationalism and racial solidarity are "cultural" and therefore one must "practice" it.

    You can not, however, practice your race since you simply are your race.

    Nationalists seem to cross wires with you on this particular idea. What they are trying to state is that White racial solidarity is not the "default" setting of a human being anymore than jew instilled White guilt is.

    It isn't pretending to be something you are not to practice being something. That is why people in law or medicine practice and (closer to home) Christians "practice" Christianity since it usually isn't the default setting for a human being.

    Why do you seem to have so much trouble understanding that concept?

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  3. I’m all for resisting tyranny. And if the white Southerners had the right to resist Northern tyranny, then black Southerners had the right to resist Southern tyranny.

    Ephesians 6:5-9 (Young's Literal Translation)


    5The servants! obey the masters according to the flesh with fear and trembling, in the simplicity of your heart, as to the Christ;

    6not with eye-service as men-pleasers, but as servants of the Christ, doing the will of God out of soul,

    7with good-will serving, as to the Lord, and not to men,

    8having known that whatever good thing each one may do, this he shall receive from the Lord, whether servant or freeman.

    9And the masters! the same things do ye unto them, letting threatening alone, having known that also your Master is in the heavens, and acceptance of persons is not with him.

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  4. Hi Daniel,

    I take it that you're applying Eph 5:6-9 to justify the Northern subjection of the South. You're admitting that the white Confederates were insubordinate when they resisted their Northern overlords. Is that your argument? That Southerners should have submitted to the Reconstruction Acts, just as Roman slaves should have submitted to their Roman masters. Is that your argument? Just as Rome conquered and subjugate other peoples, the North also had a right to conquer and subjugate the South. Is that your argument? Lincoln is to Caesar as Sherman or Grant is to Pompey. Is that your argument?

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  5. Sure.

    You tell me to whom it should have applied.

    You show me where the N.T. condemns slavery and doesn't explicitly endorse it.

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  6. DANIELJ SAID:

    “Sure.__You tell me to whom it should have applied. “

    Now you’re dodging the question. You quoted this verse, not me. So the onus lies squarely on your own shoulders to explain to whom it should be applied.

    You’ve indicated that you’re a kinist (according to your profile and blogroll). The kinist I’ve read are very hostile to the Federal gov’t and side with the Confederates in the “War of Northern Aggression.”

    If you’re going to quote NT verses about slavery in the Roman Empire to justify Southern slavery, then you need to explain why Roman imperialism justifies the subjugation of conquered peoples, but the imperialistic policies of Lincoln or the Federal gov’t are unjust. That’s your dilemma, not mine.

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  7. DANIELJ SAID:

    Nationalism and racial solidarity are "cultural" and therefore one must "practice" it.__You can not, however, practice your race since you simply are your race.__Nationalists seem to cross wires with you on this particular idea. What they are trying to state is that White racial solidarity is not the "default" setting of a human being anymore than jew instilled White guilt is. __It isn't pretending to be something you are not to practice being something. That is why people in law or medicine practice and (closer to home) Christians "practice" Christianity since it usually isn't the default setting for a human being. Why do you seem to have so much trouble understanding that concept?

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    What I understand is that you suffer from a racial inferiority complex, which is why you feel the need to practice your white solidarity.

    Emotionally well-adjusted whites like me don’t suffer from your childish need to prove anything. The whole “white pride” idea is a symptom of arrested development—the mirror image of hip-hop culture.

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  8. Now you’re dodging the question. You quoted this verse, not me. So the onus lies squarely on your own shoulders to explain to whom it should be applied.

    Man you are clever. I tried to avoid your trap and now I'm back in it. :)

    How about both of them?

    You’ve indicated that you’re a kinist (according to your profile and blogroll).

    Yuck. I gotta take that off of there until they get their dogma straight.

    The kinist I’ve read are very hostile to the Federal gov’t and side with the Confederates in the “War of Northern Aggression.”

    Indeed they do. Sore losers. I don't like the feds either though.

    If you’re going to quote NT verses about slavery in the Roman Empire to justify Southern slavery, then you need to explain why Roman imperialism justifies the subjugation of conquered peoples, but the imperialistic policies of Lincoln or the Federal gov’t are unjust. That’s your dilemma, not mine.

    No dilemma. It is the same thing ain't it?

    I think Roman and Greek slavery were a little different than Southern slavery (well maybe not that much different around the time Julius was banishing Ovid) but Pauls does assume that the Christian slave will somehow receive his command so perhaps they were more than a little different.

    In fact, Greek slavery was probably more like servanthood for some slaves. I think Epictetus was a former slave. Many Greek slaves were probably just domestics; nannies and such.

    In my opinion, Southern slavery was a slightly backwards group of White folk paralyzing their economy by doing a slightly stupid (and immoral in some cases I'm sure) thing to a bunch of colored folk.

    All this to say, that God really doesn't condemn slavery. That was my only point.

    You guys are clever and some of you seem nice.

    I like the blog.

    Best,
    D

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  9. What I understand is that you suffer from a racial inferiority complex, which is why you feel the need to practice your white solidarity.

    You understand nothing. That is why evil will always triumph over good. Because good is dumb.

    I don't use the Bowflex for twenty minutes and then run around burning crosses for twenty.

    Emotionally well-adjusted whites like me don’t suffer from your childish need to prove anything.

    Emotionally well adjusted Whites like me care about the fate of the country and think White nationalism would have been a good way to prevent the impending economic and presidential disaster.

    The whole “white pride” idea is a symptom of arrested development—the mirror image of hip-hop culture.

    My development is not arrested. I'm reading the Bible, Bavnick's Reformed Dogmatics, Dabney, Calvin, Thomas Sowell, Adam Smith, in addition to conquering my lust, trying to be more patient and increasing my sensitivity in dealing with my wife.

    Hip-hop is dope. Especially, liberal, White hip-hoppers like Sage Francis and the somewhat racially ambiguous ones like Aesop Rock.

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