Saturday, June 22, 2019

The new normal

Here's my reply to a homosexual man on Facebook:

There is enough evidence that shows it’s epigenetic.

1. There's also enough evidence that shows it's not epigenetic. The truth is the epigenetic basis for homosexual orientation is very hotly contested in the medical and scientific literature. Scientists and physicians go back and forth on it. What's more, there are pro-homosexual researchers who are skeptical about the epigenetic basis for homosexual orientation. Anyway, point being, it's far from conclusive or definitive.

2. However, suppose for the sake of argument the evidence shows there is an epigenetic basis for homosexual orientation. Nevertheless, many if not most researchers still argue epigenetics is not necessarily the fundamental let alone sole basis for homosexual orientation.

it’s basically like asking someone to give up on sex

1. Is it such a horrible thing to "give up" having sex? I think many people in our culture are far too focused on sex. Borderline obsessive if not outright obsessive about sex. As if sex is the be-all and end-all to life. But that's thinking or behaving more like animals than humans. Humans should live for more.

2. I guess part of the reason is because our popular culture is soaked or drenched in sex. You hear and see it everywhere. As even secular people have noted, we live in a pornified world.

3. As a side note, perhaps this parallels Western obsession with food. Westerners talk about food on shows, eat tons of food, make foodie channels and Instagram accounts focused on food, visit various restaurants, write Yelp reviews, and so on. However, many non-Westerners think Westerners are kind of weird about their obsession with food.

Similarly, many non-Westerners think the West is obsessed with sex. For example, that's why the Chinese (among others) consider Western sexual ethics and practices degenerate. It's evidence to them about how far gone the West is. Of course, the Chinese have their own significant problems and indeed horrors. However, my main point is it would do well for sex-obsessed Westerners to step outside of themselves and consider how they're thinking and living. And homosexual men are among the worst in this regard (e.g. consider their promiscuity rates).

4. Of course, this isn't to deny sex is important, but sex isn't all-important.

5. Homosexuals typically make their homosexuality the core feature of their personal identity. Why should one's sexual orientation be the core feature of one's personal identity? Because homosexuals are in the minority and they feel self-conscious about being in the minority? Many heterosexuals live in San Francisco. Some live in the Castro district. The Castro is majority homosexual so the heterosexual would be a minority and feel like a minority in the Castro. It'd be strange to say the least if heterosexuals in the Castro constantly talked about their heterosexuality despite being in the minority, wouldn't it?

In any case, there are arguably more fundamental characteristics to one's personal identity. Such as when and where one was born, where and how one grew up, one's family and friends, and one's worldview (the God or gods or no god one believes).

First of all Sex isn't the only aspect that is fulfilling. It´s cuddling and other romantic things that you miss out as. Sex is maximum 15-30 min a day.

Just because one has a yearning for something doesn't necessarily imply the yearning is legitimate. Some men may long to inappropriately "touch" children, but that doesn't make their longing legitimate.

Men in general are more promiscuous then women as they have a higher sex-drive and are less willing to commit or bond. This part of men is domesticated for the most part by women as they have to be way more careful with the selection of their partner as they cary the risk of becoming pregnant. Women are generally speaking way more selective concerning their sexual partners - this has only slightly changed even though their brains have been indoctrinated by feminist brainwash. So among gay men this sex-drive thingy is potentiated as men regardless of their sexual orientation are less responsible on the average when it comes to sex.

1. I don't see how you can logically draw the conclusion that men are "less responsible on the average when it comes to sex" from the former things you've said. It seems like a non sequitur. Of course, there are many irresponsible men, but there are also many responsible men too. There are many men who can control their libido.

2. Not to mention there are many responsible women as well as irresponsible women. In fact, it takes two people to have sexual intercourse. Among heterosexuals, that's a man and a woman. It's not as if all these women are coerced into having sex, even if a minority are (e.g. rapes). They're voluntarily sexually active and sexually promiscuous.

In my country prositution is legal hence we have big whore houses - where all sorts of straight guys go to (married, single).

Yes, heterosexual men (and women) sin. If they don't repent, then they'll wind up in hell.

You don't find these kind of houses for women as women on the average have different priorities. Hence its no surprise that with lesbians its actually the other way around They commit extremely quick and usually don't f*** around.

Just because lesbians are in a monogamous relationship doesn't imply their monogamous relationship is normal or morally licit. One can be in a monogamous relationship with a child but it's still pedophilia or pederasty. One can be a monogamous relationship with an animal but it's still bestiality. One can be married to a ferris wheel (Linda Ducharme) but it's still a deviancy to say the least.

You spoke quite blunt about other sexual practices. I would argue that scat or golden shower isn't a thing the average gay person likes. You are talking about a minority within a minority. Also if you google these terms I´m sure you find a thousand of straight porn sites before you find a gay site for that. I wrote my bachelor about sex work. Anal sex actually is one of the most requested sexual practices in brothels used by straight men as their girlfriends, wives usually don't really like it. Men on the other side enjoy anal sex much more as their prostate is stimulated - the "G-Spot" of males. Guys can even come without touching themselves - just by getting f*****.

1. I presume your "bachelor about sex work" contains a not insigificant amount of data from the contemporary West (i.e. the West in the 20th-21st centuries). Quite arguably contemporary Western culture isn't representative of humanity in general. Quite arguably contemporary Westerners have significant sexual deviancies. It'd be like doing a study on what men find attractive about women but only focusing on 19th century Chinese women: you might get the impression that men really loved women with small misshapen feet or lotus feet (i.e. the practice of foot binding).

2. Sexual perversion comes in many forms. Homosexuality is a perversion of heterosexuality. Transgenderism is a perversion of male and female human nature. Pedophilia is a perversion of normal affection or love for children. Bestiality is a perversion of affection for animals.

I suppose many if not most fetishisms - finding things which aren't inherently sexual to be sexually arousing - are likewise sexual perversions. If someone has a foot fetish, then they'd likely find someone wearing running shoes shaped like feet to be attractive, like how a normal man might find a woman in a catsuit or other body-hugging clothing to be attractive. That's not normal. Fetishisms may reflect something deviant in the person's psychology.

It reminds me of G.K. Chesterton's quip about how there are many angles at which one falls, but only one angle at which one stands.

3. Anal sex (both receptive and insertive but especially receptive) carries significant medical risks. Just look at what the CDC has said for a start.

For example, simply consider one aspect of anal sex: the rectal wall is quite thin. Anal sex not infrequently causes mucosal trauma in the thin rectal wall, i.e., microscopic ulcerations in the rectal wall. So HIV from seminal fluid can be transmitted into the other person via these ulcerations.

And that monogamous thingy.... most people are actually not really monogamous. Around 30% of men and 15% of women cheat.

1. I presume that 30% includes homosexual men and that 15% includes homosexual women.

2. All this means is that, short of repentance, it seems at least 30% of contemporary men and 15% of contemporary women will end up in hell for sexual infidelity.

Also don't forget that most HIV-positive people (globally) are in fact straight people as sexual behavior is also culturally shaped. In Africa its normal that men f*** around - hence these diseases are spreading quicker.

1. You're forgeting or ignoring that HIV isn't solely transmitted via sexual intercourse. For example, HIV can be transmitted via blood transfusions. Many African nations have (shall we say) less than ideal medical and health systems. This includes (poor) blood transfusion practices. This is a source of some or many HIV infections in Africa.

Another example is HIV can be transmitted from mother to fetus/child. This can occur transplacentally, during delivery, and perinatally. The rate of transmission is approximately 30%. Many Africans with HIV are children.

2. At the risk of stating the obvious, sexually promiscuous people increase the risk of obtaining sexually transmitted infections (STIs). That includes Africans, many of whom are sexually promiscuous. In addition, the presence of other STIs like herpes, chlamydia, and gonorrhoeae causes mucosal erosions in the rectal lining as well as increases the concentration of HIV in semen. That is, the risk of contracting HIV increases with co-infection of other sexually transmitted infections or diseases.

3. Once an infectious disease like HIV is prevalent enough in a population, and vaccines are still in development and at best only partially effective (unlike, say, vaccines against the measles which are very effective), then the risk of HIV transmission increases all the more. Many Africans don't have access to Western medical treatment for HIV (antiretrovirals, HAART).

The bible also says: "Don´t judge so you will not be judged". and "we all are sinners". So we can only do our best......I still don't think that sleeping repeatedly with men equals killing someone and then repent.....that would be absurd. At least in my understanding of fairness. I could also repent right before my death right? Or even after my death? I guess it´s really not up to us to judge.

1. The Bible also says (to take only one passage): "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 6:9-10).

2. The Bible doesn't say we shouldn't judge, period. For example, the Bible says: "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment" (John 7:24).

3. So you're asking if homosexual promiscuity is better or worse than murder? The Bible condemns both.

4. You want to "repent right before my death". How do you know when that will be? What if you die tomorrow?

Also, you don't know how you will die. Will you have a drawn out death like many cancers? Will you have a traumatic death? Will you have a sudden heart attack or stroke and die?

Psa 32:6: "Therefore let everyone who is godly offer prayer to you at a time when you may be found; surely in the rush of great waters, they shall not reach him." And 2 Cor 6:2b: "Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

Consider what the Jewish rabbis have said:

Rabbi Eliezer would say: Repent one day before your death. Asked his disciples: Does a man know on which day he will die? Said he to them: So being the case, he should repent today, for perhaps tomorrow he will die; hence, all his days are passed in a state of repentance. Indeed, so said Solomon in his wisdom (Ecclesiastes 9:8): "Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil." (Talmud, Shabbat 153a)


  1. Here are my further replies to the same person on Facebook:

    "Overall I don´t disagree with most of your views as I think they are rooted in reality. Nevertheless you have a tendency to generalize a little bit to much. First of all to clarify: I´m personally not against conversion therapy but it should be the wish of the person concerning to change and NOT because they are surrounded by people that follow some religious ideology. These therapies only work if the person concerning feels the inner urge to change. No one should be talked into that. It´s a personal decision. Just like believing in a christian hell or heaven."

    1. I never brought up conversion therapy. I never brought up whether homosexuality is a choice. All I did was respond to your claim about homosexuality and epigenetics (which you now concede per your comments below).

    2. However, the fact that you agree conversion therapy works if homosexuals are willing to change, and the fact that you later say (below) that it's possible homosexuality is "due to socialization", suggests homosexual orientation in some cases might be a choice or at least something like an addiction as Steve points out, even though you later claim "Homosexuality is not a choice".

    "I also don´t like gays that make their sexuality their center of their being. Nevertheless I believe this to be a minority. Also you have to beginn to grasp that it´s also straight people that deny homosexuals their humanity by reducing them on their sexual orientation only. I´m heathen. I belong to no religion."

    1. Biblical Christianity doesn't treat people as if what they are is primarily or solely their sexual orientation.

    2. You mention you're a "heathen". I presume you mean contemporary Germanic paganism or neo-paganism. In any case, heathenism is polytheistic and animistic. Christianity has a far nobler view of human beings and their place in the universe than does heathenism.

    "I agree also that our world has become way too sexualized. It´s mostly due to capitalism – sex has been capitalized so our bodies are somehow forced into the consumption of sex/porn to keep a whole billion dollar industry alive. I don´t condone that all. Sex is massively overrated. Which leads to depression, addictions etc."

    1. Glad we agree.

    2. I don't see how porn is "mostly due to capitalism". Porn has existed across the ages and across different cultures. For example, the Chinese still use porn in China despite the fact that it's illegal in China and punishable by imprisonment.

    3. At best, you might say the porn industry has been able to become rich thanks to capitalism. However, capitalism has enriched many people and industries. In this respect, capitalism is wildly successful in its goal: making people richer than they used to be and therefore lifting them up economically and arguably socially too.

    4. Of course, I hasten to add many people have made themselves rich in immoral pursuits. Pornography is one example, but there are many others. However, that's not the fault of capitalism, but that's the fault of immoral people.

    5. Besides, the main alternative to capitalism is socialism or communism, but these come with their own set of problems. Arguably worse problems. The means of production, distribution, and exchange would be owned and/or strictly regulated by society or the community as a whole. In practice, that typically means the government is the final authority which owns and/or regulates the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods.

    1. "Homosexuality is not a choice. It´s only a choice if you are bisexual. Unlike you said earlier there is broad agreement that your sexual orientation may it be gay or straight is NOT a choice (unless your bisexual). No one really knows though if it´s epigenetic, genetic or due to socialization. We only have fractions of answers. But we do know for certain that it´s not a choice."

      You're now distancing yourself from your original claim: "There is enough evidence that shows it’s epigenetic." You now agree with what I said that it's not solely or primarily about epigenetics. That there are a lot of factors involved.

      "What about intersex people? People that are born with male and female genitalia? Can they have sex in God´s eye or is it always a „damnable sin“?"

      1. I think a better way to classify this group of people is to say there's incongruence between their biological sex or gonadal sex (testes vs. ovaries, correspnds with Y chromosome) and phenotypic sex or external genitalia. This includes intersex people.

      2. The answer to your question depends which person you have in mind. Someone with Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, Kallmann syndrome, double Y males, ovotesticular disorder, placental aromatase deficiency, androgen insensitivity syndrome, 5α-reductase deficiency, etc.

      "There is no evidence that anal sex can cause any harm IF you don´t take it to the extreme."

      1. The evidence I cited was based on averages. Not extremes. For example, it's a fact that the rectal wall is quite thin. It's a fact that on average anal sex causes microscopic ulcerations in the rectal wall. It's a fact that HIV from semen can be transmitted to the other person via these ulcerations. It's a fact that the risk of contracting HIV increases with co-infection of other sexually transmitted infections or diseases.

      2. To be fair, it's possible the "average" anal sex is practiced "in the extreme". In other words, you can say anal sex is fine if it's not done in the extreme, but in practice it's possible the "average" person takes anal sex to the extreme.

      "In fact there is even a study that has proven that gay men are less likely to get prostate cancer (which is the most common cancer among men)."

      1. You don't cite your source. However, a single study doesn't necessarily mean anything. There are a lot of poorly done studies (e.g. poor methodology, small sample size, various biases).

      2. I presume by "most common" you're referring to incidence. If so, prostate cancer is the cancer with the highest incidence among men if you mean "solid" cancers (26%). However, is prostate cancer the cancer with the highest incidence among men in general - if we include "liquid" (hematological) cancers, if we include skin cancers? Maybe, maybe not.

    2. "Less likely as their prostate is more stimulated."

      1. You're assuming anal sex stimulates the prostate. That's not necessarily always the case.

      2. More to the point, it's high ejaculation frequency that is typically said to be lower the risk of prostate cancer. Not anal sex in and of itself.

      "If you partner has a normal sized penis it wont hurt you but you will only enjoy it as the male G-spot is in the anus."

      1. It doesn't require anal sex to stimulate the prostate. Men can stimulate their prostate simply by sticking their finger in their rectum and applying pressure. There are even some men who (very weirdly and creepily) enjoy a prostate exam from a physician.

      2. The idea that the prostate is the male G-spot is an idea that's taken a life of its own. It's endlessly repeated by people. It's even backed by some medical experts who have published papers on it. It's like the idea that there are extraterrestrial intelligent lifeforms (aliens) visiting our planet which many people assume is true including many expert scientists. Not to mention, like SETI, it has become profitable to undertake research in it, perform surgeries on it, etc. Likewise, the male G-spot is like the female G-spot. Some women are brought to orgasm by anterior vaginal stimulation, while other women are not. Same with the supposed male G-spot.

      "If god doesn´t like men to be gay why is it so arousing for males to have anal sex? (relax it´s a joke)."

      A better question is what doesn't arouse men? Men are aroused by tons of different things, from feet to feces.

  2. --Hence its no surprise that with lesbians its actually the other way around They commit extremely quick and usually don't f*** around.--

    Apparently they prefer to carry out other types of physical activity:

    --And that monogamous thingy.... most people are actually not really monogamous. Around 30% of men and 15% of women cheat.

    1. I presume that 30% includes homosexual men and that 15% includes homosexual women.--

    If it does, then factor out the homosexuals and the cheating rate should drop:

    --Also don't forget that most HIV-positive people (globally) are in fact straight people as sexual behavior is also culturally shaped. In Africa its normal that men f*** around - hence these diseases are spreading quicker.--

    The important thing is the RATIO: The proportion of HIV-carrying homosexuals (LARGE) against their proportion of the population (SMALL).


    Statistics: The great destroyer of LGBT talking myths.