Thursday, April 27, 2006

John 6—metaphor?

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John 6, Metaphor?
I was thinking about this, and someone else I know brought up a very valid point. He told me that this passage cannot be a metaphor

Jhn 6:53 “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.”


And then he pointed out something that i had not noticed. In the passage, if you will notice, Jesus says "Verily, Verily". And, my friend said, Jesus would never say this before using a metaphor, but only when he was revealing something as absolute truth. And in a sense he is right. Verily Verily, or truly truly, was kind of like swearing an oath to be true. To use it before a metaphor or a allegory would be unthinkable. So it cannot possibly be a metaphor. This leaves us with two possible interpretations that I know of. Either we physically take in Christ's body and blood, I.E. the Eucharist, or we do so spiritually. So, this leaves another question. How do we interpret this passage here?

Gwahir.

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?t=8889

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This is a textbook example of folks who have their theology spoon-fed to them from Mother Church instead of reading the Bible for themselves.

i) Gwahir says the verily-verily formula is only used to reveal something as “absolute” truth.

Does this mean that whenever Jesus does not preface a statement with this formula, that his statement is not absolutely true?

How true is a statement of Jesus without this prefatory formula? Half true? Two-thirds? A quarter?

Is it only true every second Sunday of the month?

ii) And where does Gwahir come up with the idea that a metaphorical statement can’t be true?

When Jesus says he’s the light of the world, or the true vine, isn’t this true? Isn’t it just as true as a literal statement?

Of course, you need to determine the meaning of the metaphor, but the statement is true according to the intentions of the speaker.

Gwahir is pulling these claims out of thin air. And that’s not the worst of it. It’s obvious that he didn’t bother to consult a concordance before he made his sweeping claims.

“And he [Jesus] said to him, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see haven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man’” (Jn 1:51).

This is, of course, an allusion to Jacob’s ladder (cf. Gen 28:12).

So, if we apply Gwahir’s yardstick to this verse, then it’s “unthinkable” that Jesus is figuratively a ladder to heaven.

Rather, by the miracle of transubstantiation, Jesus is transmuted into a wooden ladder with actual rungs, or perhaps a masonry staircase, if you prefer.

Continuing:

“So Jesus again said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep’” (Jn 10:7).

Again, as Gwahir would have it, Jesus is literally a wooden gate, by the miracle of transubstantiation, or consubstantiation, or whatever.

I’m sure that Gwahir is a much nicer man than I, but what gives him the right to make religious assertions without ever bothering to do any elementary fact-checking?

Christianity is not something that exists inside our heads, like an imaginary story that we can armchair claims about.

NTRMin Blog Resurrected!

Eric Svendsen has resumed posting at the New Testament Research Ministries blog. Send some love his way.

The happy humanist

“Let’s suppose I’m working late in my Princeton home one fall evening, and even though it’s 2 a.m. I decide to take a walk to clear my head…I don’t plan a long walk but go down the hill to Carnegie Lake. At 2 a.m., Princeton is very still. There is music from a few dorm parties in the distance, but houses are dark and there are not streetlights. Now let us suppose I trip on a root as I walk along a steep embankment, fall forward, strike my head on a limb, and plunge into the lake. Unconscious, I sink to the bottom; my coat snags on a branch buried in the mud, and I drown.”

“No one sees me fall or hears the splash. The circles soon disappear into the smooth surface of the water, and all is quiet again. Dark stillness pervades and time passes.”

“After fifty years almost no one wonders. This book and others gather dust in the library, and silence settles over all the activity I now so vigorously sustain and intensely value. The irony is deep and powerful. All this comes to absolutely nothing. Now this is probably not how it will happen. But it will happen to me—and to you. There is not the slightest doubt that the two-dimensional world you and I now so intently sustain will come to nothing at all. This is the perfect statistic, one death per person every time in a material universe that is ultimately destined to silence. That, of course, makes our obsession with meaning, and the meanings by which we live, absurd.”

J. Loder, The Transforming Moment (Helmers & Howard 1989), 83-84.

Satire

For some reason there are people out there, both Christian and non-Christian, under the misimpression that satire is unchristian.

This is due, in part, to the fact that many people don’t know their way around the OT at all, while their command of the NT is sketchy at best.

But satire is a regular feature of the Bible. There’s a lot of light-hearted satire in Proverbs and the Book of Jonah, while Amos and Mat 23 are studded with satirical barbs.

There is also a satirical genre known as the taunt-song, which you find in both Testaments:

Exod 15:1-18
Num 21:27-30
Judg 5
1 Sam 17:45-47
1 Kgs 18:27
Ps 2
Ps 115:2-8
Ps 135:15-18
Isa 14:3-21
Isa 44:9-20
Jer 10:1-16
Jer 38:22
Ezk 27-28
Hab 2:18-20
Rev 18-19

There are also some brain donors who equate satire with bearing false witness.

Needless to say, bearing false witness has contextual reference to perjurious testimony in a court of law. It has nothing to do with satire.

If someone accuses a satirist like Juvenal, Voltaire, Erasmus, Swift, Cervantes, Alexander Pope, or Mark Twain of “lying,” then this accusation says a good deal less about the character of the accused than it does about the mental ability of the accuser.

Wednesday, April 26, 2006

Speaking of Younger Leaders in the SBC

Here's an event I highly recommend.

Younger Leaders Summit II slated for Greensboro

By Staff

GREENSBORO, N.C. (BP)--What began in Nashville at the 2005 SouthernBaptist Convention will continue in Greensboro when the Younger LeadersSummit II convenes at 10 p.m. Monday, June 12, following the annualPastors' Conference.

Marty Duren, pastor of New Bethany Baptist Church in Buford, Ga., and principle organizer for the gathering at the War Memorial Auditorium,said the intention is for the summit to conclude by 10:45.

"We really want this to be an interactive time," Duren said. "We want those attending to have time to interact with the speakers as well as network with each other and hope that the fellowship following themeeting is as beneficial as the meeting itself. I think last year we saw the value of bringing younger leaders together. There were some beneficial relationships established."

Last year's Younger Leaders Summit was hosted by James T. Draper Jr.,then-president of LifeWay Christian Resources.

In 2004, Draper challenged the SBC annual meeting in Indianapolis to "pull a chair to the table" for younger leaders, allowing them to getmore involved in the convention. Draper then spent the next year encouraging cross-generational interaction through various personala ppearances and commentaries circulated SBC-wide, culminating in the Younger Leaders Summit in Nashville. Draper said at the time that the summit was an opportunity to give younger leaders a platform from which to speak.

Draper, who retired from LifeWay in February, will be among the speakers at this year’s summit. The main address will be delivered by Jeff Iorg,president of Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary in Mill Valley,Calif.

Also scheduled are Doug and Kiki Cherry, Mission Service Corps campus directors at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pa.; Jerry Rankin,president of the International Mission Board; and Tim Sweatman, pastor ofJackson Grove Baptist Church in Bowling Green, Ky.

"We've seen a lot of positive things happen in the two years since Dr.Draper called the denomination to reach out to younger leaders," Duren said. "It seems things have accelerated in our denomination just since last year's summit in Nashville and interest continues to build toward Greensboro. I appreciate that Dr. Draper expressed the leadership he did. It was timely and providential.

"I believe we have a great lineup [of speakers]. I believe each will bring a challenge for calling our denomination to focus its energies onreaching a lost world with the Gospel,” Duren said. “We wanted speakers who were relevant and could address the need for missional living in ourchurches."

A praise team will lead in a time of worship. Registration is not necessary.

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You see...the younguns and folks in small churches can put together a Convention event, and they can and do include folks on the program from the large agencies, the small churches, and even the unsung heroes in campus ministry.

I'm not "down" on the big churches. For the record, as I stated before, my home church is one of the big ones. What I'm "down" on is the continued narrowing of who gets to play ball in the SBC and the increasing pragmatism that masquerades as evangelical orthodoxy. I agree with the doctrinal parameters the SBC has set, but I disagree with the continued predilection with large numbers and the continued denigration of Reformed theology by an even smaller, yet very vocal group, and still others meddle with missions and believers baptism beyond the parameters set in the BFM, while others in the SBC ask, "Is the SBC an unregenerate denomination?" In all these cases, the same group, the "in crowd," the "Good Ol' Boys" are at work. When others in their camp dare to differ, they attack them. I know folks on the Convention committtees this year who fear to speak out for fear of being excluded and attacked, and whom some of us have worked to protect their names to keep them from being put into a bad situation. I fear Rome is burning while Nero fiddles. Somebody call the Fire Department.

More For the Pastor's Wives

2nd Pastors’ Wives Sessionto spread ‘Contagious Joy’
By Staff
GREENSBORO, N.C. (BP)--“Contagious Joy” is the theme for the secondannual Pastors’ Wives Session of the Southern Baptist Convention’sPastors’ Conference in Greensboro, N.C., and the program features severalnoted pastors’ wives sharing ways God has given them joy in their lifeexperiences.

The session, which is Monday, June 12, from 8:30 to 11:45 a.m., is freeof charge and no registration is necessary.

Doors open at 8 a.m. at the War Memorial Auditorium, adjacent to the Greensboro Coliseum.

“Contagious Joy” is based on 1 Peter 1:8, which says in part, “... you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible full of glory.” Donna Gaines, wife of Steve Gaines, pastor of the Memphis-area Bellevue Baptist Church inCordova, Tenn., said the session is designed to address some of the needsindicated on a survey that last year’s participants completed.
“Sometimes the circumstances of our lives and the trials we encounter candampen our joy,” Gaines, the meeting’s organizer, said.

Speakers will include Anita Renfroe, a regular humorist at “Women ofFaith” conferences, who will speak on having joy in worship and laughter;Liz Traylor, wife of Ted Traylor, pastor of Olive Baptist Church inPensacola, Fla., speaking on joy in darkness; Jeana Floyd, wife of Ronnie Floyd, pastor of First Baptist Church in Springdale, Ark., speaking onjoy in healing; Carol Ann Draper, wife of James T. Draper Jr., retired president of LifeWay Christian Resources, speaking on joy in learningfrom the past; Ginger Spradlin, wife of Roger Spradlin, co-pastor of Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield, Calif., speaking on joy in ministering outside the Bible Belt; Elizabeth Luter, wife of Fred Luter,pastor of Franklin Avenue Baptist Church in New Orleans, speaking on joy in restoration; and Teresa Brown, wife of Joe Brown, pastor of HickoryGrove Baptist Church in Charlotte, N.C., speaking on joy in peace.

A panel discussion will address “Hot Topics in the Ministry.”

In addition to Gaines, Traylor, Floyd and Draper, other women serving onthe ministry’s board include Susie Hawkins of Dallas; Diane Nix of Tulsa,Okla.; Barbara O’Chester of Austin, Texas; Joyce Rogers of Memphis,Tenn.; and Janet Wicker of Naples, Fla.--30--

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Now, this is actually much better than Dorothy Patterson's programming contribution. It does actually, from the look of it actually address some real issues.

However, notice the laundry list of pastors and their wives. Each and every one of these churches on this list well known large SBC churches. For example, Joe Brown is pastor of HGBC in Charlotte, the largest SBC church in the state of NC. Steve Gaines is pastor at Bellevue Church in Memphis/Cordova, TN. He is Dr. Adrian Rogers' successor. Fred Luter will be preaching at the Convention itself. I believe Sister Hawkins is O.S. Hawkins wife. Brother Hawkins is past pastor of FBC Dallas, where W.A. Criswell served until his retirement and passing, the church where Paige Patterson served at the start of the Conservative Resurgence.

The problem I have here isn't the content, rather it is who is planning the content and executing it. This is the same small circle of leaders of statistics obsessed churches run by "the Good Ol' Boy" network in the SBC. Would it really hurt the SBC to actually plan a Convention event that doesn't come with the marks of this body of persons? It only lends credibility to the notion that power is being increasingly restricted to a few insiders. The majority of SBC churches are small. Let's let the pastors' wives from these small churches contribute to these events in each phase. Let them feel a sense ownership for the programming at the Convention. Otherwise, it begins to look like the Plantation owners' wives are having a nice program for the share-croppers' wives.

I know some of these pastors. Brother Ronnie Floyd is a fine man who does some good work in Arkansas. Brother Traylor is prominent in the FL Convention and on the Pastor's Conference circuit. My home church is one of the large churches in the SBC. I interned under one of the leaders in the SBC many years ago, so I'm not speaking as one who doesn't know the system or admire these ministries in some fashion. I give credit where it is due. By the same token, you can bet your bottom dollar that if I asked just about any of these men where they stand on the doctrines of grace, I'd hear an anti-Calvinist rant. Steve Gaines has given one from his pulpit in the past year. Brother Brown hosts a Bailey Smith Conference at his church every year when he can, and James P. Boyce would not be made welcome, nor would John Broadus. You see...it's all the same people...every year...patting themselves on the back...again.

This does not help, when the younger leaders in the SBC are feeling more and more disenfranchised and are wondering if there isn't an implicit class system at work in the Convention.

Wise on the rise

Creationist will replace intelligent design teacher at seminary

Associated Press


LOUISVILLE, Ky. - A Tennessee professor who teaches the biblical version of creation will lead the Center for Theology and Science at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Kurt P. Wise, currently a professor at Bryan College in Dayton, Tenn., is replacing William Dembski, a leading proponent of intelligent design theory, who left to take a teaching job closer to his Texas home.

Wise was also director of Bryan College's Center for Origins Research, which supports the "validity of the biblical account" of creation, according to its web site.

Wise, who holds degrees in philosophy and paleontology from Harvard University, advocates a form of creationism that says God created the Earth relatively recently.

The intelligent design theory touted by Dembski and others says life is too complicated to have arisen by chance, though it does not explicitly identify the designer as God.

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/14358693.htm

Sunday Night at the SBC Pastor's Conference 2006

Pastors’ Conference 2006 Schedule

June 11-12, 2006Greensboro ColiseumGreensboro, N.C.

Theme: Reaching Today's World for Jesus Christ

Scripture: Acts 4:10-12 and 1 Corinthians 9:22b

SUNDAY EVENING JUNE 11
5:45 Worship and Praise: Mark Cottingham and Impact Team, JohnsonFerry Baptist Church, Marietta, Ga.; Word Recording Artist David Phelps

6:10 Welcome and Prayer: Bryant Wright, president, 2006 Pastors’Conference, Johnson Ferry Baptist Church, Marietta, Ga.

6:20 Testimony in Song: Word Recording Artist David Phelps
6:25 Video Feature: Shandon Baptist Church, Columbia, S.C.
6:30 Message: Dick Lincoln, Shandon Baptist Church, Columbia, S.C.
7:00 Billy Graham Tribute: Christianity Today International
7:10 SBC President’s Welcome: Bobby Welch, First Baptist Church,Daytona Beach, Fla.
7:15 Worship and Praise: Mark Cottingham and Impact Team, JohnsonFerry Baptist Church

7:25 Offertory Prayer and Giving to the Lord: Doug Munton, VicePresident of 2006 Pastors’ Conference, First Baptist Church, O’Fallon,Ill.

7:35 Video Feature: First Baptist Church, Woodstock, Ga.
7:40 Message: Johnny Hunt, First Baptist Church, Woodstock, Ga.
8:10 Worship and Praise: Mark Cottingham and Impact Team, JohnsonFerry Baptist Church
8:20 Testimony: Chuck Kelley, President, New Orleans BaptistTheological Seminary, New Orleans, La.
8:30 Testimony in Song: Word Recording Artist David Phelps
8:35 Message: Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, Lake Forest, Calif.

9:05 Closing Prayer: Gary Urich, Secretary of 2006 Pastors’Conference, Southern Hills Baptist Church, Bolivar, Mo.

Just to get this straight...

At 7pm, they will unveil a "larger than life statue of Billy Graham" to be placed outside the Lifeway Building in Nashville later in the year. (No, it isn't made of gold melted from the booty taken from the foreign mission field).

At 7:10, we will hear from Bobby Welch, the man who has given us what many of us call "the Million Man Dunk." Now, consider for just moment that this is the man who wants us to baptize a million and calls Calvinists anti-evangelistic in his church newsletter, yet here is his annual church profile:

2001
3506 members
203 baptisms
253 other additions
2200 primary worship attendance

2002
3812 members
296 baptisms
190 other additions
2100 primary worship attendance

2003
4011 members
209 baptisms
137 other additions
2031 primary worship attendance

2004
4163 members
237 baptisms
204 other additions
1874 primary worship attendance

To borrow from Tom Ascol: Would this church meet anyone’s criteria for "declining?" It went from a counted Sunday morning worship attendance of 2200 in 2001 to 1874 in 2004. If my math is correct, that is a 15% decline.Granted, they have baptized 945 people during that 4 year period and they have added 784 people by other means.

But the church membership only grew by 657. It took 1729 new members for the church to grow by 657 members.In addition those 1729 new members resulted in 326 fewer worshipers! If the church continues to grow at this rate then by the time it adds around 10,000 new members the preacher will be preaching to an empty auditorium at his "primary worship" service.

40 minutes later, Johnny Hunt will preach (Anti-Calvinist rant or statement? Will he be able to resist?).

If there is another presidential candidate this year, shouldn't he be allowed to speak too? Word has it that Wade Burleson might be nominated. In view of this possibility, he has graciously decided not to speak at the Younger Leaders Summit II at the Convention, in order to avoid looking as if he is pandering for votes and to avoid charges of impropriety. The contrast could not be more stark.

Dr. Hunt will be followed by Rick Warren at about an hour later. (Which translation will he use? Will there be a Powerpoint presentation? How many Scriptures will be ripped from their context?)

Tablets of Stone will be broken afterward. Plagues, thunder, lightning, and floods will follow.

Godless greenhorns

John W. Loftus Says:

“And they are trying to make a point about the gulibility [sic.] of we atheists. Don’t buy into it.”

Excellent advice. Unfortunately for them they already maxed out their line of dupability. All sales final. The tickets to Snookersville are nonrefundable.

It's pretty revealing to see what so many unbelievers will fall for. All I had to do was post my little squares of satirical cheese and then sit back as one by one they went stepping straight into the mousetrap.

This is painfully and screamingly ironic from folks who pride themselves on their superior powers of rationality.

Is there something essentially paranoid or conspiratorial about modern-day atheism that makes them so easy to play for chumps?

I guess it’s okay to be a schlemiel as long as you’re a secular schlemiel.

Our secular suckers are just as gullible as all the patsies who sign over their Social Security check to float the lavish lifestyle of Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Robert Tilton, or Peter Popoff.

Clearly I'm in the wrong profession. I need to start a new blog hawking tubes of holy water and anointed hankies for all the credulous unbelievers of the world.

No less striking was how quickly secularism turns cannibalistic as the mice from one atheistic blog instantly sank their ratty little teeth into the nape of a sister blog.

You heard it first from me

I suppose it’s only a matter of time before someone blows the cover of Triablogue, so you might as well hear it from me.

Yes, Triablogue is a hoax, but a genuine hoax, like genuine gnawgahide.

This is how it all got started. I used to sell vinyl siding at Wall-Mart.

(That’s also where Bill Gates was recruited. We were coworkers. But that’s another story.)

Then one evening as I was listening to The Best of Loretta Lynn, a Viper with tinted windows drew up to my mobile home. Two men in trench coats and dark glasses got out and knocked on the door.

They drove me to a private jet, which flew me to Sicily, where “Dr. James Anderson” (not his real name) has his winter residence—a seaside villa overlooking the Bay of Naples.

There I also got to meet his wife Lucrezia, an almond-eyed, olive-skinned stunner, and their two Russian Wolfhounds—Scylla & Charybdis.

That’s when he made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

Either I could come work for him as his front-man—Triablogue is really a shell corporation to launder funds for the Carlyle Group, the theological stuff is only there to throw INTERPOL off the scent—or else his trench-coated security detail would give me a chance to do some undersea exploration in the Bay of Naples.

As a man of unbending principle, I chose the former.

I currently work out of the basement of a small governmental office in Brasilia.

Every Friday afternoon at 2:45 sharp, a man in dark glasses and a trench coat presents me with a manila envelope containing a roll of nonsequential C-bills to remunerate me for my efforts.

I usually receive my operating instructions from Dr. Anderson via secure video, although we occasionally speak face-to-face, whether at his winter residence, or his summer residence—overlooking Lake Lucerne—or his super yacht, docked in Monte Carlo.

Needless to say, my team members are also not what they seem to be.

Evan May is a 72-year old Green Beret who supplements his fixed income by working on the side as a bookie for fellow residents of his retirement home. Mostly horseracing.

Gene Bridges is a Russian Orthodox Metropolitan who impersonates a Southern Baptist to plant insidious seeds of division and rancor within the SBC.

Paul Manata is executive producer of Teletubbies.

I could tell you who Jason Engwer is, but you’d have to take out a life insurance policy.

God Is At Work in Italy Too!

Calvinists believe in missions. I know that may be hard for some folks to understand, but, we Baptists in particular have a history of missions that fly the banner of the Reformed churches. Take Fuller, Carey, the Judsons, and Lottie Moon. Each supported the work and /or went. God bless their memory.

I lived in Britain a one time. Yes, God is still God over there. I can go there and get married and He is still paying attention. (It's Canada, you have to worry about...Looks across the blogosphere at Tim Chailles...just kidding dude). I even visited Italy while I was there. I love it when Roman Catholics assume that I've never been to Catholic Mass. Err, no, I've been...to the Vatican, and Pope John Paul II was speaking that day. So, yeah, I've been Catholic Mass, a bigger one than many Catholics I see posting on the internet.

It's good to know the Lord is working in Italy. A friend of mine who lives over there (who reads this blog by the way..HT: Francesco!) sent me this. Let's pray for this group and covenant to support their work.


WELCOME TO CERBI (Evangelical Reformed Baptist Churches in Italy)An Association of Reformed Baptist Churches born to empower the Evangelical witness in Italy

Hundreds of believers and many churches gathered to witness this historic event for Italy. On 25th April in the northern town of Bologna, the CERBI project was launched in an atmosphere of joyful celebration and prayer. CERBI stands for Chiese Evangeliche Riformate Battiste in Italia (Evangelical Reformed Baptist Churches in Italy). It is an association of churches which is based on a Reformed confession of faith (the 1689 Baptist Confession), and has been nurtured by years of fellowship and practical cooperation between elders and local churches, and which aims at serving the cause of the Gospel in Italy more vibrantly.

So far, Italy has lacked a Reformed and Evangelical group of associated churches. Historically speaking, in this country, there are Reformed churches (the Waldensians), but sadly they are very liberal in their present orientation. There are also Baptist unions, but they are liberal or arminian. CERBI’s identity and role is therefore unique in that it represents the confessional Protestantism which is so important in many parts of the world and which has been so central in Church history.

CERBI does not stem from separation from other churches, but from the coming together of different free churches which have deepened their fellowship over the years. Moreover, these churches have cultivated an attitude of openness and cooperation with other Evangelical churches and initiatives in proportion to the doctrinal agreement. For many years, they have been involved in evangelistic activity, theological training (with IFED in Padova), and the Italian Evangelical Alliance.

Joyfully recognising the authority and inerrancy of Scripture, the doctrinal standard of CERBI is the 1689 Baptist Confession. Within contemporary Evangelicalism, CERBI values the 1996 Cambridge Declaration issued by the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Since congregationalism is its ecclesiological framework, CERBI is not a denomination as such. While respecting the importance of local churches, CERBI unites a group of them on a confessional basis. It seeks to develop common ministries between churches, especially for pastors (e.g. fraternals) and church members (e.g. the annual conference and celebration). Beyond internal objectives, CERBI is also dedicated to the encouragement of church planting projects and the common witness of churches in Italy. At the moment, seven churches are associated with CERBI, but there are several others which are considering becoming part of it.

CERBI is strongly interested in developing meaningful relationships with like-minded churches throughout the world and asks prayer so that the cause of the Gospel of Jesus Christ might be powerfully enhanced through its witness. Italy still needs a Biblical Reformation and CERBI is fully dedicated to promoting it.

For information and contacts:
www.cerbi.it
info@cerbi.it

Though He Slay Me...

I often hear from apostates like John Loftus that one day a trial will strike my life and I will renounce my faith. They argue that all devotion to God will be abandoned once I experience, supposedly, the lack of his goodness and therefore the lack of his existence. I surely hope that no formal argument is attempting to be made here. For, the livability of a worldview has no rendering on the rationality of the worldview. Furthermore, if we are going to take into account one principle of the Christian worldview (that God is good), we must take all of the principles of the worldview into account (for instance, that God’s goodness is Biblically defined). Of course, John Loftus cannot stand the internal critique, so he will attempt with all of his might to avoid this.

In any case, is there any warrant to such a statement (that trials attack faith) to begin with? Yes and no. If my “faith” is based solely on an emotional posture, then when my emotions change (say, when my life undergoes a crisis), I will abandon my “faith.” In other words, spurious, false faith is not protected from the attacks of suffering. No where is this promised in the New Testament.

However, the Bible teaches that God’s elect will persevere in faith (on the basis of his preservation), and that their trials will be a means of stretching and strengthening their faith:

James 1:2-4 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Romans 5:1-5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

And history is replete with evidence of this. John Loftus is terribly uninformed when he makes such a statement that altogether fails to take into consideration a church that has been suffering from the moment of its conception. Indeed, it is as Matthew Henry wrote long ago, “The state of the church in this world always is, but was then especially, an afflicted state; to be a Christian was certainly to be a sufferer.”

Has Mr. Loftus considered Haratio Spafford, composer of the hymn “It Is Well With My Soul”? This was a hymn that was writ­ten following two ma­jor trau­mas in Spafford’s life. The first was the great Chi­ca­go Fire of Oc­to­ber 1871, which completely ru­ined him fi­nan­cial­ly. Not long after, while cross­ing the At­lan­tic, all four of Spafford’s daugh­ters died in a col­li­sion with an­o­ther ship. Spafford’s wife Anna sur­vived and sent him the now fa­mous tel­e­gram, “Saved alone.” Sev­er­al weeks lat­er, as Spafford’s own ship passed near the spot where his daugh­ters died, Spaffored penned,

When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

Or did Loftus never learn about the lives of the Puritans Ebenezar and Ralph Erskine? Ebenezar Erskine buried his first wife, who died at the age of of thirty-nine. His second wife he buried three years before his own death. In addition, he lost six of his fifteen children. Likewise, Ralph Erskine buried his first wife when she was thirty-two, along with nine of thirteen children. Joel Beeke writes that “the Erskines well understood that God has ‘only one Son without sin but none without affliction,’ as one Puritan put it. Their diaries, so typical of the Puritans, are filled with Christ-centered submission in the midst of affliction.” Consider this entry which Ebenezer penned when his first wife was on her deathbed and he had just buried several children:

I have had the rod of God laying upon my family by the great distress of a dear wife, on whom the Lord hath laid his hand, and on whom his hand doth still lie heavy. But O that I could proclaim the praises of his free grace, which has paid me a new and undeserved visit this day. He has been with me both in secret and public I found the sweet smells of the Rose of Sharon, and my soul was refreshed with a new sight of him in the excellency of his person as Immanuel, and in the sufficiency of his everlasting righteousness. My sinking hopes are revived by the sight of him. My bonds are loosed, and my burdens of affliction made light, when he appears…. “Here am I, let him do to me as seemeth good unto him.” If he call me to go down to the swellings of Jordan, why not, if it be his holy will? Only be with me, Lord, and let thy rod and staff comfort me, and then I shall not fear to go through the valley of trouble, yea, through the valley of the shadow of death.

Yes, I wonder what would happen if Ebenezer Erskin were alive today, and John Loftus approached him assuring him that he would abandon his faith as soon as crisis hit.

Evan May.

Anachronism

***QUOTE***

Yo said:

my dear, my dear,

Yes, that is what it meant. They didn't fully understand it, just as they didn't fully understand passages dealing with the future messiah.
4/25/2006 9:56 PM
NuumbaOne said:

The argument that a sacramental reading of Jn. 3 is anachronistic has no merit, since Jesus often spoke anachronistically to foreshadow things to come in the future.

Like, what about the time Jesus told the Jews that He would tear down the temple and raise it up in three days?
In the context, they did not know what he was talking about yet. But He expected them to know what he meant.

Same with John 3:5.
4/25/2006 10:08 PM

***END-QUOTE***

One of the problems with these objections is the way they redefine an “anachronism.”

An anachronism is not simply a case of foreshadowing a future event.

I agree that Jn 6 foreshadows something to come. Yet what it foreshadows is not communion, but the cross.

That is how it functions is the narrative arc of the Forth Gospel.

This is a problem when people are prooftexting to justify something they already believe rather than reading a passage of Scripture within the larger flow of the argument.

Again, this is not a contrast between a partial understanding and a fuller understanding. Rather, what the sacramentalist is doing here is to swap out the original understanding for an entirely different and divergent understanding.

As I said before, the problem with Leithart’s interpretation is twofold: it doesn’t fit with (i) either the Jewish understanding (ii) or the Christian understanding.

As far as prophecy is concerned, the original audience knew what was prophesied. If you don’t know that much, you will be in no position to recognize the fulfillment.

But they didn’t know was the who, when, and how.

And they didn’t know it because that wasn’t given in the prophecy itself. The historical means by which the prophecy was to be realized was no part of the original prophecy.

So the original audience were in a perfect position to understand what a prophecy meant; what they were unable to grasp is not what it said, but what it left unsaid—to be penciled in by future events.

Jn 2:19-22 is a poor counterexample, for their failure consisted in an over-literal interpretation of Jesus’ words. He was speaking figuratively, and they should have been able to detect that much.

How this proves that we should take Jn 3 as a literal allusion to baptism, or Jn 6 as a literal allusion to communion, when the Johannine examples of misunderstanding move in the opposite direction—of mistaking spiritual metaphors for literal descriptions, is less than evident.

There’s also a larger principle at stake, here. Whether we allow anachronisms into our reading of Scripture is no trivial matter.

i) The presence of anachronisms is a telltale sign of forgeries.

One reason we discount the Book of Mormon is because it was written in faux Elizabethan English.

Or take The Da Vinci Code, with its abundance of historical anachronisms.

ii) Sure, you can treat Ezk 36 as a prophecy of Christian baptism.

But once you make elbowroom for anachronistic exegesis, then you can also treat Ezk 1 as a veiled reference to flying saucers.

Having debarred the grammatico-historical method, Erich von Daniken’s interpretation is just as good as Iain Duguid’s.

The cost of “proving” your own position that way is to prove every opposing position the same way.

The Last Puritan

Andrea Weisberger said...

“The upshot of all this is that if there is suffering in the world which is extra -- something which is not accounted for by appeals to free will, or some other type of excuse, then there is unnecessary suffering.

If there is unnecessary suffering in the world -- suffering for which there is no good reason, or any reason, then either god is not all powerful (else this suffering would be eradicated) or god is not all good (since a good god would want to eradicate that to which it is in opposition).

This, in a nutshell, is the problem of evil.”

Andrea is in a bind. She is attempting to disprove the existence of God by invoking the problem of evil.

The problem of evil comes in two basic forms: moral and natural evil.

The difficulty with invoking the moral version is that there are some well-lubricated countermoves to that appeal: the freewill defense, a soul-making theodicy, Leibniz on the best possible world, or a supralapsarian rationale.

In addition, the theodicist can always claim that since it’s sinners who suffer, their suffering is not unjust, but rather, poetic justice. They suffer for their sins.

If an atheist can switch to natural evil, that will undercut a number of theodicies adapted to the moral version.

But there are problems with that move as well. On the face of it, natural evils are not intrinsically evil. Either they’re intrinsically good, or else they’re neutral.

Water is necessary for life, but too much water or too little water is destructive to life. Fire can warm, but fire can burn.

Pain is unpleasant, but an organism insensible to pain is at great risk of injury.

Natural disasters are only disastrous in relation to the incidental organisms that happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yet natural disasters are not surd events. They result from the conjunction of certain natural forces. And they are often beneficial to the ecosystem. The immediate damage is offset by a long-range or large-scale improvement over the preexisting conditions.

So natural evils are not gratuitous evils. Rather, they serve an obvious function in a physical universe.

What Andrea gives us is a synthesis or hybrid by piggybacking natural evil onto moral evil.

Her showcase is animal cruelty, viz., the hunting and consumption of wild horses.

Horses are innocent, involuntary victims of human caprice and cruelty.

If the argument succeeds, it will capitalize on the merits of both the moral and the natural versions of the problem of evil without their attendant difficulties.

If it fails, it will inherit the liabilities of both versions without their compensatory gains.

As I pointed out in my previous critique, Andrea’s argument is burdened by too many unpaid intellectual bills.

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/04/all-creatures-great-small.html

Her case hinges on many unspoken assumptions for which she offers no supporting argument.

We will not extend her a line of credit until she begins to pay some of her intellectual debts.

Moving on:

“Anyone who is in doubt as to whether ‘suffering is a bad thing’ ... well maybe they are a masochist or a sadist -- someone who takes pleasure in the pain of others or themselves perhaps.

In general, for the vast majority of sentient creatures, suffering is most certainly a bad thing.

Is that not self-evident?”

In some ways, this goes to the nub of the problem.

i) Is it self-evident that suffering is a bad thing?

Is it evil that I burn my fingers on a hot stove?

Or would it be evil if I were insensible to pain, so that I kept my hand on the hot stove until the damage done was irreparable?

ii) Self-evident relative to what? Andrea’s rhetorical question enjoys a good deal of intuitive appeal.

The problem, though, is whether her moral intuition makes any sense given her secular outlook on life.

Due to natural revelation and common grace, Andrea retains a remnant of common decency.

But is suffering self-evidently evil from the viewpoint of atheism?

iii) One of the funny things about unbelievers is that even though they deny the doctrine of the Fall, they act as if they were living in a fallen world.

Now, from Andrea’s perspective, the sensible world is the only world there is. There is nothing else to compare it to. It just is.

So why is she so bothered by the fate of wild horses? Either they’re killed by human hunters or natural predators. Is it better to die in the wild? Is it so much better to be eaten alive by a wolf pack?

Why does she act as if there’s something wrong with the world? As if things are not the way they are supposed to be?

How is she in any position to compare the real with the ideal? If this world is all there is, then what supplies the ideal frame of reference by which she disapproves of what she sees?

iv) Aren’t human beings just what natural selection made us to be? Aren’t we killer apes by nature? Blame it on our smart genes.

How did Andrea and others like her ever get to be so emotionally maladjusted to the world they live in?

What makes them think that something is not quite right with the world? Why do they find themselves alienated from the only world there is?

For someone who presumably believes in evolutionary adaptation, Andrea is remarkably ill-adapted to her own environment.

Unbelievers so often act as if this world were paradise lost, and it’s their sacred duty to redeem it and restore it to its Edenic perfection.

Andrea is a secular postmillennialist—like the dutiful characters parodied in Santayana’s The Last Puritan.

Or as Hepburn said to Bogart, "Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put into this world to rise above."

Code Breaking Tools

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Tuesday, April 25, 2006

Born of Water

NuumbaOne11 said:

If you deny the sacramental readin of John 3:5, what’s left? You’d have to argue that “water” means some Old Testament symbol, like the water from the rock or the water of the Red Sea. But that wouldn’t make sense in the sentance: Is Jesus saying we must be born of the Red Sea and the Holy Spirit?

4/25/2006 1:59 PM

1. This commenter, in asking his question, altogether ignores Steve’s initial presentation. He pretends that the anachronistic and acontextual properties of the sacramental reading are non-existent. In asking, “What’s left,” he expects one to accept an improbable reading on the basis that it is, supposedly, the only reading available. The fact that such a reading is wholly out of synchronization with the rest of John’s themes seems to matter little to this commenter.

2. For years, I ignorantly assumed that the birth “of water” referred to the amniotic fluid that flows in the process of birth (”water breaks”). But this type of reading is almost as anachronistic as the sacramental reading, for there is no evidence in any early manuscript that birth was referred to in this manner.

3. Furthermore, as was pointed out in the comments section, the Greek text does not refer to two births, but one. It does not distinguish between a natural birth and a spiritual birth. Rather, both births are referred to by the same preposition (rather than “of water and of spirit,” it is simply “of water and spirit”: εξ υδατος και πνευματος). The spiritual birth is the water birth.

4. Jesus, rather than alluding to something about which Nicodemus would have no clue (baptismal regeneration), he refers to something which Nicodemus would have easily understood:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

One must be regenerated to enter the Kingdom of God, and this regeneration involves the dual work of both being cleansed of sin and receiving the Spirit. In order to enter the Kingdom, one must not only be free from his sins, but he must possess a heart of flesh and the Spirit of God that is received in regeneration.

Evan May.

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Back to the Bread of Life

“Some commentators claim that John 6 cannot be talking about the Lord's Supper because the verbs (in vv. 52-59) are aorist. This is very implausible to me. John recorded a discourse of Jesus in which he speaks of eating flesh, drinking blood - both resonant with Eucharistic associations, and he wrote this discourse to churches that commemorated Jesus with a meal of Jesus' flesh and blood. And yet, we know that John didn't intend to talk about the Eucharist because of the verb tense! If John didn't intend his readers to think of the Eucharist, he's chosen a singularly odd way to do his business. It almost seems like a trick: Everything in the chapter SOUNDS like Eucharist, but John leaves us the subtle clue of the verb tense to let us know it's not. A wider point about grammatical-historical exegesis: This is an example of grammar trumping the text; the verb tense controls what the passage means, rather than the whole passage controlling what the passage means. This is not the way we normally use language; when we use rich and resonant imagery, we expect our readers to notice it, and not to focus on verb tenses and not to let the verb tenses control (or cancel out) the imagery. (This is not to say that the verb tenses of Scripture are irrelevant or unimportant. They are, as is every jot and tittle. But there is not reason to make the verb tenses controlling.)”

http://www.leithart.com/archives/001214.php

I agree with Leithart that the proper interpretation of Jn 6 cannot turn on fine points of verbal aspect.

But that’s not what’s wrong with the sacramental reading of Jn 6.

1.He fails to distinguish between the audience of the discourse and the audience of the Gospel.

The Gospel was written for Christians, but the discourse was spoken for Jews.

Jesus wasn’t addressing churches that observe the Eucharist.

Jesus was addressing Jews who were living on the Old Testamental side of the cross.

2.Contemporary readers have a responsibility to draw some distinction between now and then, and not act as if every book of the Bible was written to them.

Although the Bible is written for the benefit of the church, every book of the Bible is not written to the church—much less the contemporary church.

This is a mistake that occurs all the time in popular fundamentalism. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye act as if the Bible is written specifically to Christians living in the late 20C or early 21C, so that every time there’s a war or oil crisis in the Mideast, this is one more stage in the endtime denouement.

They also treat the martial imagery in Revelation as code language for modern military technology.

Many high churchmen who make fun of Lindsey and LaHaye do the very same thing in their own way.

They also act as if they are the target audience for Jn 3 and Jn 6. They also act as if Jn 3 and Jn 6 are written in code language—that Jn 3 is an allegory of the font, while Jn 6 is an allegory of the Mass.

3.Everything in Jn 6 does not sound like the Eucharist. It talks about bread and blood, but it doesn’t talk about wine or body.

4.It is true, nevertheless, that Jn 6 is reminiscent of the Eucharist.

And that’s because Jn 6 and the Eucharist both stand for the same event. They both stand for Calvary.

The difference is that Jn 6 is prospective, whereas communion is retrospective. Jn 6 looks forward to the cross, whereas communion commemorates the cross.

5.And this brings us to a larger point: Leithart fails to ask what function Jn 6 performs in narrative theology. Where does it fit into the narrative arc?

Is Jn 6 intended to point the reader to the communion table?

No, Jn 6 is intended to point the reader to the cross. This is preparatory for the passion.

Indeed, Jn 1-18 is paving the way for Jn 19.

The entire preceding narrative is structured around the glorification of Christ on the cross.

Like 3-point perspective, the narrative sightlines direct the reader’s eye to the climactic events of Golgotha. That’s the focal-point.

So not only does Leithart’s interpretation disregard the Jewish audience for the Bread of Life discourse in particular, but it also disregards the Christian audience for the Gospel as a whole.

6.One objection to my interpretation might be that misunderstanding is a subtheme of the Fourth Gospel. The listener often misunderstands the words of Jesus.

That being so, maybe Jesus said something in Jn 6 which wasn’t meant to be intelligible at the time.

But there are several problems with this move:

i) In the Gospel of John, these misinterpretations are treated as culpable. The listener incurs guilt for misconstruing the words of Jesus.

But if their true import were dependent on information to which he had no access, then how is he at fault?

ii) Their misunderstandings ordinarily consist in taking Jesus too literally: in failing to appreciate the metaphorical character of the discourse.

Jesus is moving on two different planes, where the concrete imagery is emblematic of spiritual truth. His listeners never make the transition.

And yet the sacramental reading of Jn 3 & Jn 6 is distinguished by its literalism.

iii) In Jn 3, Nicodemus is reprimanded precisely because he was in a position to understand what Jesus said.

His incomprehension is not due to lack of information, but moral and spiritual obtuseness.

He is blameworthy because he knew enough to know better.

That is also the underlying theme in Jn 6. And it comes to a head in Jn 12.

Our Lord’s opponents are inwardly blind. They see, but they lack insight.

Monday, April 24, 2006

Review: Dear Timothy

Imagine you’re sitting at a table surrounded by the modern Apostle Paul’s, Jonathan Edwards’s, and Charles Spurgeon’s of our day… and each one of them has some wisdom concerning pastoral ministry that he wants to share with you. Such is the arrangement and opportunity that has been made available in Dear Timothy: Letters on Pastoral Ministry (edited by Tom Ascol). This multi-authored book is assembled in the format of individual letters written to a fictional character “Timothy,” a young man who is new to the pastorate. Tom explains in the preface, “Timothy is a composite character. He is twenty-six years old, has recently graduated from seminary, and has been in his church for six months. He and his wife Mary have been married for four years and they have a two-year-old son with another child on the way. Each pastor was asked to offer counsel to him on the basis of a long-term relationship and sincere interest in seeing him make a good start.”

Tom begins this wonderful book in the preface with establishing the importance of pastoral influence upon pastors. As Tom notes, this is the concept that is wonderfully portrayed in the title of Louis McBurney’s work, Every Pastor Needs a Pastor. When pastors and teachers fail to receive the counsel and care that is required for those who pour out themselves for the church, ministry-burn-out is soon to come. Equally important is that personal Paul-to-Timothy fellowship that is necessary for those who are new to the pastorate. Tom reminds us that Paul too received such influence. Consider Barnabas who, while many were still skeptical of their former persecutor, took Paul “under his wing, introduced him to church leaders, and helped him get stared in the work of the ministry (Acts 9:26-30, 11:25-26). The man who was to become our Lord’s foremost apostle was greatly blessed to have such an experienced minister counsel him early in his ministry.”

So, in an age where the art of letter-writing is a dying one, the letters in Dear Timothy are quite reminiscent of the Apostle Paul’s transferring the care he received from Barnabas into his own passion for the life of Timothy. “Paul’s letters to Timothy and Titus,” Tom writes, “serve as divinely inspired manuals of pastoral ministry. Though Paul undoubtedly gave himself in personal ministry to these men, it is the preservation of his letters to them that has served the church so well throughout history.” Likewise, the authors of this work express the same concern as they pen their letters to the fictional character Timothy, sharing the wisdom that they have received from years of studying the Scriptures and experiencing the daily ministry of the pastorate: “The twenty chapters that follow reflect the collective wisdom of more than 480 years of pastoral experience. Each contributor is, at the time of writing, serving a local church. Pastoral ministry is their calling. Their contributions have been made in and around the regular preaching, teaching, counseling, and leadership demands that go with pastoring a local church. This fact lends credibility to what they have written.”

Here’s the chapter list:

1. Establish Priorities by Tom Ascol
2. Watch Your Life by Conrad Mbewe
3. Love Your Family by Tedd Tripp
4. Love Your Flock by Ted Christman
5. Memorize Scripture by Andy Davis
6. Pray Always by Martin Holdt
7. Cultivate Humility by C. J. Mahaney
8. Be Courageous by Bill Ascol
9. Do the Work of an Evangelist by Mark Dever
10. Do Personal Work by Fred Malone
11.Watch Your Doctrine by Raymond Perron
12. Keep Studying by Ligon Duncan
13. Learn from the Puritans I by Joel Beeke
14. Learn from the Puritans II by Joel Beeke
15. Preach the Word by Roger Ellsworth
16.Worship in Spirit and Truth by Terry Johnson
17. Train Other Men by Steve Martin
18. Care for the Nations by Phil Newton
19. Don’t Neglect Revival by Ray Ortlund, Jr.
20. Find a Place to Settle by Geoff Thomas

For having a variety of pastors retrieved from various backgrounds and creeds, this work displays a wonderful over-all unity. It is balanced and perspectival, but it is one work. It is amazing that while each author/pastor writes concerning his own topic, the foundational principles expressed in each chapter are in wonderful like-mindedness.

Each author’s topic was very appropriately assigned. For instance, we have Tripp on the family, Dever on evangelism, Mahaney on humility, etc. In each case, I don’t know if I could select a better person to impart wisdom on the particular topic. And obviously, your every-day young pastor does not have a close relationship with this many gifted leaders, but by reading this book he receives part of the benefits of knowing these men.

Additionally, each author displays tremendous creativity in incorporating his topic into the life of the fictional character “Timothy.” This is, no doubt, creativity that has been acquired from years of counseling and preaching. But though these may be practically inconsequential details compared to the work as a whole, it is quite entertaining to listen in on how each of these men of God would write to his friend and fellow minister of the Word. Indeed, evidences of grace are displayed even in the small elements of creativity that spice these articles. And these authors did a great job at bringing reality to their statements. The reader truly feels like he is Timothy.

I heartily endorse this work and recommend it to young pastors, old pastors, and basically any Christian, and I joyfully pass on to you the link to where you can purchase Dear Timothy: Letters on Pastoral Ministry.

Evan May.

Sunday, April 23, 2006

"Horrific consequences"

According to John Loftus:

“Calvinists further claim that the evidential apologetics practiced by Arminians leads people to atheism…”

This statement is less than self-explanatory. There is no official school of apologetics in Calvinism.

Likewise, how many men started out as professing Christians, and were led into atheism through their study of evidential apologetics?

Or is Loftus saying that evidential apologetics only has this effect when it is practiced by Arminians?

“…while Arminians claim that the horrific consequences of Calvinism leads people to atheism.”

How would Calvinism have this effect on people?

If you don’t believe in Calvinism, then you don’t believe that Calvinism has any horrific consequences.

But if you do believe in the consequences of Calvinism, whether “horrific” or not, then you must be a Calvinist rather than an atheist.

Quest for the historical atheist

Unbelievers regularly apply historical criticism and myth criticism to the Jesus tradition in the four gospels.

Some unbelievers (e.g., Richard Carrier, G. A. Wells, Earl Doherty) go so far as to deny that Jesus ever existed.

It has also become a fad for unbelievers to write deconversion stories. This goes back to the Victorian era (e.g., Francis Newman; Edmund Gosse).

Such “inspirational” literature is a parody of evangelical conversion testimonials.

Suppose we apply historical criticism and myth criticism to deconversion stories? What will be the result?

Let’s begin with some preliminary definitions and explications.

I. Historical Criticism

Historical criticism or Tradition criticism is a subdivision of Bible criticism. It proposes certain criteria of authenticity. Two of the most important are:

1. The criterion of dissimilarity, according to which a dominical saying is probably authentic if it is dissimilar to both the early church and Second Temple Judaism.

If we were to adapt this criterion to modern-day deconversion stories, we would deem a saying to be authentic if it is dissimilar to both the contemporary religious subculture and the contemporary irreligious subculture.

2.The criterion of multiple-attestation, according to which a saying is probably authentic if it appears in multiple strands of tradition or multiple (form critical) pericopes.

(2) is applied after (1) is applied. That is to say, (2) is applied to whatever residual remains after (1) is applied.

3.Although it isn’t a formal criterion in historical criticism, another criterion that is popular in the sceptical literature is what we might call the criterion of disinterestedness.

According to this criterion, a saying is probably authentic if the witness or redactor had no vested interest in the outcome.

If, by contrast, he speaks as an advocate, then his testimony can be dismissed as sheer propaganda.

II. Myth Criticism

Myth criticism is an interdisciplinary field which draws its criteria from mythography, ethnography, and folkloristics.

It identifies and classifies mythological or folkloric literary genres by tale-type according to the presence of certain archetypal themes and motifs—mythemes.

Leland Ryken offers a useful summary of this approach:

***QUOTE***

In literature, especially, we continually encounter these same character types, plot motifs, and images. These recurrent images are called “archetypes.” They are the basic building blocks of the literary imagination.

All of the persons, events, and images of literature make up a single composite story. This story is called the “monomyth” because it is the “one story” of literature.

The monomyth is shaped like a circle and has four separate phases. As such, it corresponds to some familiar cycles of human experience. The cycle of the year, for example, consists of the sequence of summer-fall-winter-spring. A day moves through a cycle consisting of sunrise-zenith-sunset-darkness.

1.Romance (which Northrop Frye calls “the story of summer”) pictures idealized human experience and is a wish-fulfillment dream of complete happiness.

2.Its opposite, anti-romance (“the story of winter”), portrays unideal experience and is an anxiety dream of total bondage and frustration.

3.Tragedy (“the story of fall”) narrates a fall downward from bliss to catastrophe.

4.Comedy “(the story of spring”) narrates a rise from bondage to happiness and freedom.

The circular pattern of the monomyth takes a number of specific forms, including the following:

a) The quest, in which the hero leaves the security of his home, undertakes an ordeal that tests his powers and temporarily defeats him, overcomes the obstacles, and either returns home in triumph or achieves a new state of bliss (which still constitutes a return to the initial state).

b) The death-rebirth motif, in which a hero endures death or danger and returns to life or security.

c) The initiation, in which the hero is thrust out of an existing, usually ideal, situation and undergoes a series of ordeals as he or she passes from ignorance and immaturity to social or spiritual adulthood.

d) The journey, in which the hero passes through threats that test him and lead to his character development.

e) Comedy, a U-shaped story that begins in prosperity, descends into tragedy, but rises to a happy ending as obstacles to success are overcome.

f) The temptation motif, in which an innocent person becomes the victim of an evil tempter or temptress.

g) The rescue motif, in which characters undergo dire threat and then are rescued.

1.Archetypes of Ideal Experience:

The hero, the wise man,

The mountaintop or hill; the fertile and secure valley; pastoral settings or farms; the pathway.

The city or palace or castles; the temple or church; the house or home.

Water, a river or stream; tranquil pools.

The spring and summer seasons, the sun, moon and stars; light, sunrise, day.

2.Archetypes of Unideal Experience:

The villain, the temper or temptress; the wicked father or stepmother.

The wilderness or wasteland; a place of ice and intense cold.

The autumn and winter seasons; sunset, darkness, night.

Windows into the World (Zondervan 1985), 42-48.

***END-QUOTE***

Let us now apply historical criticism and myth criticism to some popular deconversion stories.

I. Pseudo-Loftus

Among the deutero-Loftistic writings, the Loftus tradition comes down to us in three different pseudonymous recensions.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-conversiondeconversion-story.html

http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/view-item?item=11156&90145338-31415aaa

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1412046025/sr=1-1/qid=1145710716/ref=sr_1_1/104-0770077-4083168?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books

This, of itself, generates an acute version of the synoptic problem. But will pass on that for now.

Let us apply the criteria of authenticity to these memoirs—with special reference to the first.

1.Since all three memoirs are attributed to the same author, they obviously flunk the criterion of multiple-attestation.

We lack any independent confirmation or corroboration for most-all of the autobiographical details.

2.Since the memoirs are written to justify the conversion of the protagonist, they will also flunk the criterion of disinterestedness. They are secular hagiographa.

The autobiographical protagonist as a personal stake in the outcome.

What is more, he has a financial incentive:

“In my book Why I Rejected Christianity: A Former Apologist Explains I’ve written 40 pages about my conversion to Christianity, my deconversion away from Christianity, what I believe now, and why. To read the complete story of my conversion/deconversion and what I believe today you can purchse [sic.] the book here.”

3.Finally, the memoirs also flunk the criterion of dissimilarity, for there are no original or distinctive ideas in his material—no sayings whose intellectual pedigree cannot be traced to the religious background of the protagonist, his formal education, or his secular acculturation.

So, based on historical criticism alone, there is no probative evidence to believe that John Loftus is a real person. He is, rather, just a literary construct.

Let us move on to myth criticism:

“I had a dramatic conversion as an 18 year old. I had dropped out of High School, and was arrested six different times for offenses like running away, theft, and battery. I had also hitchhiked around the country with a friend. I was heavily into drugs, alcohol, sex, fast cars, and the party scene.”

“But one night I gave myself over to this Jesus in repentance and faith in response to what I believed at that time was his substitutionary death on the cross for my sins.”

Notice the stereotypical coming-of-age motif, wherein the hero’s conversion functions as a rite of passage from adolescence to manhood.

“I graduated from Great Lakes Christian (Bible) College, Lansing Michigan, in 1977.”

Notice the mytheme of holy water as a rite of passage.

“Anyway, I have told people time and time again that I could teach philosophy until I was blue in the face so long as I knew I had a loving, caring, and faithful Christian community to fall back on after my class is over. When that fell through the floor, the doubts crept in my life.”

“There are three major things that happened in my life that changed my thinking. They all happened in the space of about five years, from 1991-1996.”

“These are the three things that changed my thinking: 1) A major crisis, 2) plus information, 3) minus a sense of a loving, caring, Christian community. For me it was an assault of major proportions that if I still believed in the devil would say it was orchestrated by the legions of hell.”

Here the hero undergoes the stereotypical trial by ordeal.

“Let me just briefly mention the information that changed my mind. I carried on a correspondence debate with my cousin who was a Lieutenant in the Air Force (now a Colonel) and teaches Biochemistry at a base in Colorado. I handed him a book arguing for creation over evolution and asked him to look at it and let me know what he thought of it. After several months he wrote me a long letter and sent me a box full of articles and books on the subject. Some of them were much too technical for me to understand, but I tried to read them. While he didn’t convince me of much at the time, he did convince me of one solid truth: the universe is as old as scientists say it is, and the consensus is that it is 12-15 billion years old.”

Here the hero encounters the stereotypical sage or wise man who guides him in the way of enlightenment.

Not to mention the initiation motif.

“My doubts were simmering these last few years. I didn't think much about them. But when Mel Gibson's movie “The Passion of the Christ” came out, it made me think about them again, intensely. Plus, while I was describing in class how, with Arthur Peacocke, I believe God could've used chance as a radar beam searching the possibilities for the direction of creation, one of my students laughed at the thought. It was these last two things that have put me on course to finally come out of the closet and tell what I think. I have always had reasons for what I believed. Only recently have I begun sharing my doubts. I want people to know that I have thought through answers for the way I life my life.”

“Today I am pretty much guilt free. That is, I have no guilt in regards to the Christian duties mentioned above. I am free of the need to do most of the things I felt I had to do because I was expressing my gratitude for what God had done. And yet, I am still grateful for my present life, even more so in many ways. I love life. I’m living life to the hilt, pretty much guilt free, primarily because my ethical standards aren’t as high. In fact, I believe the Christian ethical standards are simply impossible for anyone to measure up to. Think about it, according to Jesus I should feel guilty for not just what I do, but for what I think about, lusting, hating, coveting, etc. I’d like every person who reads this book to experience the freedom I have found. It is to you that I dedicate this book.”

Here we observe the convergence of several mythemes: the quest, rescue motif, and comic denouement.

It is clear from myth criticism that “John Loftus” is a mythopoetic fiction. In this deconversion story, the redactor offers us a modernized and transvalued version of the Frog Prince—a type AT 440 folktale.

In the original version, the prince is hexed by a wicked witch, who turns him into a frog. He is restored to manhood when he shares a bed with a princess. The kiss is a euphemism for carnal knowledge.

As Bruno Bettelheim has explained in his classic monograph on The Uses of Enchantment: The Meaning and Importance of fairy tales,

“But what about the frog? It, too, has to mature before union with the princess can become possible. What happens is it shows that a loving, dependent relationship to a mother figure is the precondition to becoming human. Like every child, the frog desires an entirely symbiotic existence. What child has not wished to sit on Mother's lap, eat from her dish, drink with her glass, and has not climbed into Mother's bed, trying to sleep there with her? But after a time the child has to be denied the symbiosis with Mother, since it would prevent him from ever becoming an individual. Much as the child wants to remain in bed with Mother, she has to ‘throw’ him out of it--a painful experience but inescapable if he is to gain independence. Only when forced by his parent to stop living in symbiosis does the child begin to be himself, as the frog, ‘thrown’ out of the bed, becomes freed of bondage to an immature existence.”

“The frog emerges out of life in the water, as the child does at birth. By using the frog as a symbol for sex, an animal that exists in one from when young--as a tadpole--and in an entirely different form when mature, the story speaks to the unconscious of the child and helps him accept the form of sexuality which is correct for his age.”

As you can see, the deconversion of pseudo-Loftus is an allegory of the Oedipal complex.

Loftus is the frog-prince. At first, he must be excommunicated by Mother Church in order for him to pass from puberty to manhood.

His graduation from Great Lakes Bible College represents his rebirth, from tadpole to toad.

The biochem professor represents the princess, through whom he is initiated into the mysteries of manhood.

“Coming out of the closet” (his words) once again represent his sexual emancipation.

II. Pseudo-Till

Among the Tillian pseudepigrapha is a deconversion story entitled: “A long day’s journey into light,” attributed to Farrell Till

http://vanallens.com/exchristian/fartil.htm

Let us apply the criteria of authenticity to this memoir.

1.Since the deconversion story is autobiographical, it will obviously flunk the criterion of multiple-attestation.

We lack any independent confirmation or corroboration for most-all of the autobiographical details.

2.Since the memoir was written to justify the conversion of the protagonist, it also flunks the criterion of disinterestedness. This is secular hagiographon.

The autobiographical protagonist as a personal stake in the outcome.

3.Finally, the memoir further flunks the criterion of dissimilarity, for there are no original or distinctive ideas in his material—no sayings whose intellectual pedigree cannot be traced to the religious background of the protagonist, his formal education, or his secular acculturation.

So, based on historical criticism alone, there is no probative to believe that Farrell Till is a real person. He is, rather, just a literary construct.

Let us move on to myth criticism. The very title contains two mythemes: the journey, and light.

“I was reared in Southeast Missouri in a family with deep roots in the Church of Christ, a sect that is probably as rigid as any in its belie that the Bible is the inspired "word of God." When I went to church I heard both preachers and Bible teachers proclaim the inerrancy of the scriptures.”

Southeast Missouri triggers the mytheme of the Edenic river valley,

“So anxious was I to get involved in worldwide evangelism that I quit college a semester before graduation to work in missionary projects of the Church of Christ in France.”

“Altogether, I spent twelve years preaching for the Churches of Christ, and five of those years involved missionary work in France. My skepticism began while I was there.”

Note the mytheme of the journey. He leaves Southeast Missouri, representing his expulsion from paradise, for France, representing the religion of man (e.g. the French Revolution, &c.).

“Once my faith in inerrancy was shaken, however, I was able to see the folly of stupid attempts like these to justify the despicable conduct of the Hebrew god. When I crossed that line, I had gone too far ever to turn back again.”

There he encounters the mytheme of the tyrannical father-figure, typified by Yahweh.

“When I returned from France in 1961, I knew that I could not continue to preach things that I no longer believed, but the tenacity of a fundamentalist is an almost marvelous thing.”

“These were extremely difficult times for my family, both economically and emotionally. We were a family of five, so, needless to say, it wasn't easy to provide our needs and pay tuition too while I was an unemployed student, to say nothing about the psychological stress from the religious upheaval in my life that I was trying to cope with. Guilt and shame had forced me to be secretive about my plans for the future with everyone but my wife.”

“I was never able to rid myself of a horrible feeling of hypocrisy that I had wrestled with every time I stepped into a pulpit.”

“I think I actually hated myself. I knew that I didn't believe what I was saying, and it seemed to me that when I looked at my wife in the audience, she was unable to look at me.”

Note the stereotypical trial by ordeal.

“My family then left for Gallup, New Mexico, where both my wife and I had contracted to teach. We made the trip in a Peugeot 403 station wagon that we had brought back from France, which for lack of money I had not changed the oil in during the eighteen months we had been students at the Bible college. Fortunately, it held up through the 1200-mile trip.”

Once again we see the journey motif. After having been banished from Paradise, he is cast out into the wilderness.

The 1200-mile trip, a multiple of 40, allegorizes the forty-year wilderness wandering.

“I consider the first two decades of my adult life as a long day's journey into light. Again, Bible fundamentalists will resent the metaphor, but I believe it is valid. Religion is a form of darkness in the individual's life; escape from it is like a journey from darkness to light. My escape was by no means easy.”

Note the multiplied mythemes of light and darkness, the journey, and the comic denouement.

As with Pseudo-Loftus, the deconversion of Pseudo-Till is an atheologumenon—a historicized atheological dogma—dressed up as allegorical journey from darkness to light, paradise lost to paradise regained.

III. Pseudo-Carrier

Among the prolific output of Pseudo-Carrier is a pseudonymous memoir entitled “From Taoist to Infidel”

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/testimonials/carrier.html

Let us apply the criteria of authenticity to this work.

1.As an autobiographical memoir, it will obviously flunk the criterion of multiple-attestation.

We lack any independent confirmation or corroboration for most-all of the autobiographical details.

2.Since it was written to justify the infidelity of the protagonist, it will also flunk the criterion of disinterestedness. This is yet another secular hagiographon.

The autobiographical protagonist as a personal stake in the outcome.

3.Finally, the memoir further flunks the criterion of dissimilarity, for there are no original or distinctive ideas in his material—no sayings whose intellectual pedigree cannot be traced to the religious background of the protagonist, his formal education, or his secular acculturation.

So, based on historical criticism alone, there is no probative evidence to believe that Richard Carrier ever existed. He is just a literary construct.

After describing his upbringing in a liberal church, pseudo-Carrier continues his exposition:

“I wanted to know what the fundamental nature of the universe was, what the fundamentals of a moral life really were, how to achieve happiness in this life. The Bible didn't help. Better moral wisdom came from mortal word of mouth around me, and far more knowledge from other books, and from school, where I majored in science and took and mastered every science course offered.”

Note the mytheme of the quest.

“Then a miracle happened. At least, it was what believers would call a miracle. In a bookstore hunting for a dictionary for school, I had a feeling that told me to turn. I did, and the first thing I saw was a Jane English translation of the Tao Te Ching. I took it up, and, like Augustine, turned to a page at random and read. What it said was so simple, so true, so elegantly and concisely put, and so wise, I knew this was the answer. I bought the book and read it all through, and from that day I declared my faith in Taoism, my first real religion. In contrast, Christianity was never a religion for me--it was simply a fixture in my cultural atmosphere, and I never affirmed any faith in its principles. But I had faith in Taoism. I was a True Believer.”

Note the mytheme of the wise man.

My life was transformed. I acquired a sense of discipline and focus I never had before, an attraction to quiet, simple living, and a strong yet humble moral sense of things. All finally made sense, and I was happier than I ever imagined possible.

On the face of it, this represents the initiation motif. But as we shall see, this is actually a tale combining the dual mythemes of temptation and rescue.

“The most fantastic experience I had was like that times ten. It happened at sea, well past midnight on the flight deck of a cutter, in international waters two hundred miles from the nearest land. I had not slept for over 36 hours…The ship was rocking slowly in a gentle, dark sea, and I was alone beneath the starriest of skies that most people have never seen.”

Note the mythemes of starlight and still waters. In Taoism, water is a type/token of the Yin-factor.

Also, the numerological significance of 36— a multiple of 12—viz., 12 tribes of Israel, 12 stones on ephod, 12 apostles, 144,000 (=the elect), the cubical dimensions of the New Jerusalem.

“I fell so deeply into the clear, total immersion in the real that I left my body and my soul expanded to the size of the universe, so that I could at one thought perceive, almost 'feel', everything that existed in perfect and total clarity. It was like undergoing a Vulcan Mind Meld with God. Naturally, words cannot do justice to something like this. It cannot really be described, only experienced, or hinted at.”

Astral travel is a standard mytheme. Here the redactor is evidently borrowing from the Enochian literature.

In other book, pseudo-Carrier recounts this experience:

“There was a night when I fought with a demon trying to crush my chest—the experience felt absolutely real, and I was certainly awake, probably a hypnagogic state. I could se and feel the demon sitting on me, preventing me from breathing, but when I ‘punched’ it, it vanished,” The Empty Tomb (Prometheus Books 2005), 185).

(Note that this also happens at night.)

The phenomenon is known in parapsychological literature as Old Hag Syndrome. It’s the stuff of succubi and the incubi. You find it all the time in the desert fathers and other hagiographa.

We clearly have another Oedipal allegory in the making, where the hero is seduced by Lao Tzu, impersonating the Yin-dynamic (feminine principle).

“Though called a wise father, there is not a single example in the Old Testament of God sitting down and kindly teaching anyone, and when asked by Job, the best of men, to explain why He went out of His way to hurt a good man by every possible means, including killing his loved ones, this "wise father" spews arrogant rhetorical questions, ultimately implying nothing more than "might makes right" as his only excuse.”

Note the mytheme of the tyrannical father figure, representing the Yang-dynamic (male principle).

“Eventually I stumbled across two old books in a used book store, Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not a Christian and Corliss Lamont's The Philosophy of Humanism, each of which gave me an excellent introduction to the thoughts of like-minded men. In time, a booth at a street-fair introduced me with much excitement to American Atheists, which later, through disappointment with their attitude, I traded for the more human and sensible Freedom From Religion Foundation.”

Here the mythopoetic character of the paternal despot is counterbalanced by the mythopoetic character of the wise man or sage, exemplified by the likes of Bertrand Russell and Corliss Lamont.

So this is just another variant of the Frog Prince, with a lacquer finish of 1 Enoch.

IV. Pseudo-Price

Among the deutero-Pricean literature, the Price tradition comes down to us in two different pseudonymous recensions.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/robert_price/humanist.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/robert_price/beyond_born_again/index.shtml

This, of itself, generates an acute version of the synoptic problem.

Let us apply the criteria of authenticity to these memoirs.

1.Since both memoirs are attributed to the same author, they obviously flunk the criterion of multiple-attestation.

We lack any independent confirmation or corroboration for most-all of the autobiographical details.

2.Since the memoirs are written to justify the conversion of the protagonist, they will also flunk the criterion of disinterestedness. They are secular hagiographa.

The autobiographical protagonist as a personal stake in the outcome.

3.Finally, the memoirs are going to flunk the criterion of dissimilarity, for there are no original or distinctive ideas in his material—no sayings whose intellectual pedigree cannot be traced to the religious background of the protagonist, his formal education, or his secular acculturation.

So, based on historical criticism alone, there is no probative evidence to believe that Richard Price was ever born. He is just another literary construct.

Moving on to myth criticism:

“Everyone is on a spiritual journey. Most of the time we are glad enough to admit this, but other times we want stability more than anything else, and at those times we are liable to fear religious change lest we fall away from hard-won truth. But I have come to believe that the spiritual journey is a journey of discovery into largely unknown territory. If we hunker down, insisting we've already got enough truth, thank you, we are like the Israelites stubbornly camping out on the threshold of the Promised Land, cheating themselves out of the fulfillment of their hopes.” My own spiritual journey has taken me places I never thought I'd be going. But I'm glad it did! I trod a rocky but fascinating road from fundamentalism to humanism.

Here the general mytheme of the quest, in the special form of a journey, is explicit.

“At the ripe old age of ten (adolescence being the most common time of life for conversion, psychologists tell us), I began to fear the prospect of everlasting hell-fire and heeded the urging of the preacher at a local Baptist church to receive Jesus Christ as my personal savior.”

Likewise the coming-of-age mytheme.

“My enthusiasm for the true faith, and the secret fear that the faith might not be true, were sources of fuel that fed each other. My zeal was great, but it was interrupted by periods of doubt that might last for months. The more terrible the doubt, the more zeal was needed to make up for it. As the zeal grew greater, the stakes became higher, and the fear in turn grew deeper. I encountered personal disappointments.”

Note the mytheme of trial by ordeal.

“You are encouraged, in what I now view as a superstitious fashion, to see the guiding hand of God in every circumstance. Every minor disappointment and major disaster are messages from God to teach you some lesson, and it's your job to learn to figure out the Almighty's charade. It took me till I was out of college to begin to see how immature, even delusional, all this was. You can't grow up, it seems to me, till you learn that you live in a world of impartially random events and that you are responsible for your own actions. But born-againism made life into a giant puppet-show, with God as the puppeteer.”

Note the mytheme of the terrible father-figure.

“But I did find Liberal theology to be quite helpful. Paul Tillich especially answered my questions.”

Stereotypically, the hero’s encounter with a wise man signals his rite of initiation into the rites of passage.

“Around the same time, I found myself in a Cambridge cafe having supper with some friends. We were on our way to a lecture by Harvey Cox, whose books I'd always found fascinating, though I'd filled their margins with vociferous criticisms. I suddenly thought, "Listen, is there really that much difference 'them' and 'us'?" I had always accepted the qualitative difference between the "saved" and the "unsaved." Until that moment, it was as if I and my fellow-seminarians had been sitting in a "no-damnation" section of an otherwise "unsaved" restaurant. Then, in a flash, we were all just people. My feeling about evangelism has never been quite the same.”

The mythic epiphany.

“One cold night in Beverly, Massachusetts, I trudged out with a handful of other seminarians to "witness" to local sinners.”

Note the wintry mythemes of darkness and frigidity.

“In the summer of 1977, I took course work at Princeton Theological Seminary, learning much from Donald Juel and visiting professor Monica Hellwig.”

Note the seasonable mytheme (“summer”).

The next fall, I went to Boston University School of Theology and Harvard Divinity School (members of the Boston area consortium to which I had access as a Gordon-Conwell student). There I had the privilege of taking courses with Howard Clark Kee, Helmut Koester, and Harvey Cox. A new world had opened up to me, both theologically and personally. I felt like a college freshman, thinking through important questions for the first time.

Note the seasonal mytheme (“fall”).

As any mythographer or folklorist can plainly see, the deconversion tale of pseudo-Price, unlike the first three memoirs, which rework the Frog Prince, is an etiological tale of the crop cycle. In particular, the redactor has offered the reader a creative retelling of the abduction of Persephone.

We have now applied historical criticism and myth criticism to four prominent deconversion tales. This analysis could be easily extended to other case-studies in kind. So the quest for the historical atheist continues.

Being Fully Human

sk said:

Speaking of questions, what do you make of this question (Steve, Paul, Gene, Evan, et al):

“Jesus did not come to make us Christian, he came to make us fully human.” -Hans Rookmaaker

I sense it’s just one of those empty statements liberals often make, but I’d be interested in the biblical take of the Triablogue crew.

4/23/2006 9:27 AM

Thanks for the question, sk.

The statement is terribly man-centered, as we would surely find humanism to be. Humanity is made the epitome of morality: that being human was Christ’s goal for us. But Adam was fully human, and yet he fell into sin and depravity. Biblically, when Adam fell, there was not an ounce of hope that something in Adam would save him from his sin. In fact, the Apostle Paul even contrasts the consequences of being in Adam and being in Christ (Romans 5). What Adam needed was not to be more human. What he needed was the Gospel.

Humans cannot save themselves, so being more human (or “fully human”) does not answer the problem. Biblically, of course, we must recognize that such a statement altogether fails to address the problems of sin, the holiness of God, the inflexible requirements of the law, etc, and so it naturally fails to lead into the supremacy of Christ and the Gospel that saves sinners on the basis of the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ that is received by grace through faith.

Perhaps such a statement is well-intended. Perhaps it seeks to call people to follow an ethical code, and thus be “fully human.” Perhaps it would embrace somewhat of a reality of sin by claiming that when one sins he is “less-than-human.” But ultimately such a statement seeks to exalt man rather than portray a Biblical picture of the doctrines of sin and humanity. It pushes God-as-solution out of the focus in order to make humanity-as-solution the central goal. The chief end of man, therefore, is no longer “to glorify God and enjoy him forever.” Rather, the chief end of man is “to be fully human.” And such a dogma is the direct opposite of the totality of the teachings of Scripture.

Not only does such a statement embrace a man-centered ethical system that fails to be informed by the Gospel, such a statement transfers the reference point of morality from the Creator to the creation: “Jesus did not come to make us Christian (Christ as the standard and example); he came to make us fully human (man as the standard and example).”

I think we can easily conclude that this careless statement is diametrically opposed by the Biblical worldview.

Evan May.

Theology in a nutshell

Arminian: God is willing but unable to save everyone.

Calvinist: God is able but unwilling to save everyone.

All creatures great & small

Fasten your seatbelts. Andrea Weisberger has a knockdown argument against the existence of God:

“What strikes me as the most compelling evidence against the existence of a wholly good, all powerful deity is the status of nonhumans in the world today. One might think that the sheer number of people in this country alone who profess devotion to the ideals of Christianity would have the effect of making people more compassionate towards the suffering of others. Sadly, this is not the case.”

“200 years ago there were approximately 2 million wild horses in the US. Today there are less than 40,000. This is not due to disease or natural catastrophe, but to cruelty. In Wyoming, Nevada, Colorado and Oregon, horses, even small foals, are shot to death for fun. Others are captured and sold for slaughter -- to provide low cholesterol steaks to France, Italy, Begium [sic.] and Japan. The 3 horse slaughter houses in the US have carved up 50,000 horses in the past year alone.”

“Take this one example of the last moments of a wild mustang:”

‘Depressed and confused, gentle Daisy stands nervously on the cold, slippery floor.’ (Excerpt from Lifesavers, Inc. letter. http://www.wildhorserescue.org)

“Now what kind of god would create these creatures with the foreknowledge of their agony at the hands of cruel humans? How could any of this suffering be needed in any way? How could the allowance of such cruelty be construed as providing fertile ground for free will? Would it really limit free will to deny the French their mustang steaks?”

“It seems to me that our religious language is at a loss to conceive any reasonable explanation for a perfectly good and all powerful deity permitting such atrocities. And this is not an isolated case.”

http://aweisbe.blogspot.com/

This argument contains a number of unspoken assumptions.

1.Why does Andrea seize on the plight of Mustangs?

Is it simply because horses, as domesticated animals, are objects of human affection?

Is the assumption that animals have rights if the animal in question is special to us?

If an animal is a pet, then it is entitled to special treatment?

If so, that’s a rather androcentric outlook.

2.Suppose, instead of mustangs, she talked about the plight of cockroaches.

The way in which human beings ruthlessly hunt down coackroaches. Poison cockroaches. Squash them underfoot.

Would that be another slam-bam argument against the existence of God?

3.What’s wrong with horsemeat steak? Is horsemeat immoral, but beefsteak is not? Or is Andrea a vegan?

Is Andrea saying that a meal of steak and lobster is opposed to secular ethics?

What about cheeseburgers? Are they verboten too?

And that's before we ever get around to the morally vexed question of escargots.

How can Andrea sleep at night as she contemplates the genocidal assault on all those hot-buttered snails?

Surely there's some international convention against the wholesale slaughter of our gastropodal neighbors.

4.Is it okay to hunt a deer, but immoral to hunt a horse? Or is hunting, per se, contrary to secular ethics as well?

5.Is it Andrea’s position that horses have civil rights? That when we hunt wild horses, we violate their civil rights?

Is this grounded in social contract theory?

Did horses, in a state of nature, decide one day that equine existence was solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short?

Were the cougars party to this contract?

Is it immoral for a cougar to enjoy a low-carb diet of horsemeat?

What about squirrels? If it’s immoral for a cougar to eat a horse, can he still snack on squirrels?

Or would all mountain lions be vegans in the best of all possible worlds?

6.How does Andrea know that Daisy was feeling depressed that day? Isn’t this a rather transparent case of projecting human emotions onto an animal?

Once again, it assumes a rather androcentric viewpoint.

7.How does Andrea feel about abortion? If she thinks it’s wrong to kill a horse, does she also think it’s wrong for a human mother to kill her own young?