James White's outfit has a new contributor by the name of Ryan. I'll make a few comments about his post, attacking Acts17:
1. Ryan says:
I also think Acts17Apologetics knows that lines were crossed. Regarding a church in Florida that David Wood was scheduled to visit, he revealed some of his personal thoughts prior to the visit from the YouTube video–
Gosh, I hope they haven’t seen Islamicize Me because they’re going to get mad.
David, if you didn’t cross any lines, then why did you think the church would be mad?
How does the fact that some people get mad or might get mad at something entail that the individual they're mad at crossed the line? People got mad at OT prophets. People got mad at the Apostles. People got mad at Jesus.
In addition, different Christians have different sensibilities. Some Christians have scruples that others do not.
2. Borrowing Doug Wilson's "boundary between satire and scurrility", Ryan implies that the Islamicize Me video series is scurrilous. It's unclear what, exactly Ryan is alleging inasmuch as the word has more than one sense.
i) Related definitions of the word include "low buffoonery", "coarse, gross, obscene." Yet on that definition, some parts of the Bible are "scurrilous", but presumably, Ryan doesn't mean to say the Bible is scurrilous.
ii) Another definition is "humorously insulting", but that's pretty mild. Is it always wrong to be humorously insulting? And in reference to what? People? Ideas? Isn't Scripture sometimes humorously insulting?
iii) Another definition is "libelous, slanderous, defamatory, expressing unfair or false criticism intended to damage someone's reputation".
No doubt Acts17 intends to damage Muhammad's reputation. However, that's only slanderous if it amounts to unfair or false criticism. Is it Ryan's contention that the Hadith don't command or commend what Acts17 depicts? If Muhammad commands or commends the behavior which Acts17 parodies, how is that slanderous or defamatory? To the contrary, if that's accurate, then it would be self-incriminating for Muslims to accuse Acts17 of scurrility. For in that event, what's scurrilous isn't Islamicize Me but the Hadith. Is it now the official position of Alpha and Omega Ministries that speaking ill of Muhammad is scurrilous?
3. On the heels of accusing Acts17 of scurrility, Ryan says:
There’s very little difference in the degree of offense and the justifications being used by Acts17Apologetics and Westboro Baptist Church. In fact, Westboro could probably learn a thing or two from the Islamicize Me and the James White Controversy video and bolster their defense by employing the same justification.
How ironic. What could be more scurrilous than comparing Acts17 to the Westboro cult! In what respect is there "very little difference in the degree of offense and the justifications being used by Acts17Apologetics and Westboro Baptist Church"? Ryan doesn't begin to spell that out. Let's run through some possibilities:
4. Methodological moral equivalence
i) Perhaps Ryan means that Acts17 and the Westboro cult employ the same methods. Let's temporarily grant that postulate for discussion purposes. Even if two groups use the same methods, that would only make them methodologically morally equivalent if their methods are intrinsically good or evil. Suppose two groups both torture children. That makes them methodologically morally equivalent.
ii) However, methodological equivalence doesn't entail methodological moral equivalence. Suppose an armed burglar breaks into a house. The owner is home. The owner is armed. The owner shoots intruder in self-defense. Both owner and burglar are methodologically equivalent inasmuch as both men have guns. But that doesn't' make them methodologically morally equivalent. The intruder is an assailant. He's in the wrong. So even if, for argument's sake, Acts17 and the Westboro cult use the same methods, that doesn't ipso facto make them morally equivalent.
iii) But do Acts17 and the Westboro cult use the same methods? On the one hand, Acts17 is producing videos that simulate behavior commanded or commended in the Hadith. On the other hand, the Westboro cult pickets funerals with placards like "God hates fags", "Semper fi fags," and "Thank God for dead soldiers."
How do those reflect the same methods and tactics? Can Ryan explain?
5. Substantive moral equivalence
i) Perhaps Ryan means Acts17 and the Westboro cult are substantively morally equivalent. Let's take some examples of the Westboro cult:
Marine Lance Corporal Matthew A. Snyder was killed in Iraq on March 3, 2006. His father, Albert Snyder, filed a lawsuit in June 2006 against Westboro Baptist Church and several of its members ("Defendants") after members of the church went to Maryland to picket his son's funeral in a protest against homosexuality. The Defendants were not present at the funeral, but carried signs with messages such as "God Hates the USA," "America is doomed," "Fag troops," "You're going to hell," "God hates you," "Semper fi fags," and "Thank God for dead soldiers."
Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, announced today that they plan to protest the funeral of a 9-year-old girl murdered during Saturday's shooting rampage in Tucson.
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims (2012): A day after 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 20 Newtown, Conn., first-graders, six school workers, his mother and himself on Dec. 14, 2012, church members took to social media claiming that they would picket the vigil for victims of the mass killing.
How is that substantively akin to what Acts17 is doing? Murdered grade elementary school students aren't morally responsible for the homosexual culture. Marines aren't responsible for the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. That was an act of Congress. There's no presumption that Marines are homosexual. To the contrary, we can safely presume that the Marines are overwhelmingly straight.
Conversely, Acts17 is exposing people to what Islam actually represents, in its authoritative founding documents. In terms of substance, how is that remotely like what the Westboro cult does? These reflect two radically different causes.
If, however, Acts17 and the Westboro cult aren't substantively alike or methodologically alike, then what's the level at which Ryan's comparison operates? "The degree of offense"? Many unbelievers are offended by the Bible. Does that mean there’s very little difference in the degree of offense between the Bible and the Westboro cult?
Even if that were the case, everyone is not entitled to be offended. It's wrong to be offended by some things.
Even if two groups use similar justifications, that can't be detached from the nature of the cause. It isn't simply the nature of the justification or purported justification, but the nature of the cause that makes a morally salient difference. Is Ryan unable to grasp that elementary distinction?