Thursday, January 23, 2014

God's goodness in judgment


I'm going to comment on this post by Steven Nemes:


“But salvation is gracious and so not obligatory.” That is right, it’s not obligatory from the perspective of desert; but the claim is not that God’s not saving anyone is incompatible with his commitment to retribution (who would deny that anyway?). Crisp goes wrong when he supposes that goodness is somehow defined by desert. Not at all: goodness is defined by the bringing about of good, regardless of desert. Retribution is one thing, and goodness is another.
Notice that Nemes artificially segregates justice from goodness. But even though divine goodness is broader than divine justice, justice is a necessary component of divine goodness. Likewise, exacting justice is an expression of divine goodness. It is good to be just, and it is good to act justly. Absent a just character, God would not be good. Absent just conduct, God would not be good.
Furthermore, goodness is particularly ascribed to persons who do good to those who are undeserving, so that goodness is especially about going beyond desert in the favor of the undeserving. You’re good if you reward those who deserve it, but you are really good if you are kind to your enemies, if you are willing to listen to someone who is annoying and abrasive, if you show mercy to persons who otherwise have spit upon you and hurt you. In a way goodness is defined against desert and retribution, rather than by them: you’re not all that good if you only give people what they deserve; you’re really good if you do good to those who don’t deserve it.
i) Actually, that confuses goodness with mercy. Although mercy is sometimes good, goodness is broader than mercy. Punishing the wicked is good. 
ii) Being kind to my enemies has limits. That doesn't obviate the right of self-defense. It's not my duty to let someone murder me.  
iii) In addition, even if it's good for me to be kind to my enemies, that doesn't mean it's good for me to be kind to your enemies. Even if I can afford to put myself at risk, that doesn't automatically mean I have the right to put you at risk. 
Put another way, I'm not doing you good by showing kindness to someone who will do you harm. My kindness empowers him to harm you. Showing Ted Bundy mercy rather than justice is merciless to his future victims. Doing good for him is bad for others. Very bad. 
In that respect, it is positively evil to show some people mercy. You are merciful to them at the expense of others.  

Playing with atheist matches



This is the third time I've seen Fred use this comparison. Clearly he's fond of this comparison. It's part of his cessationist toolbox. 

i) Twice I've corrected Fred on this comparison:



Unfortunately, Fred is impervious to rational correction on this issue. He repeats the same refuted argument. 

ii) Once again, we have a MacArthurite aping an atheist argument. Why does it not occur to Fred that he's giving Christians license to commit apostasy? Just as Fred cites the gullibility of ufologists to deny charismatic miracles, atheists cite the gullibility of ufologists to deny Biblical miracles. Why is Fred so shortsighted and irresponsible that he resorts to objections which boomerang against the Christian faith? If a Christian plays with atheist matches, what's to prevent him from burning the church down? 

iii) What, exactly, is Fred denying? That he's predisposed to disbelieve charismatic miracles? But Fred is a cessationist. So by definition, he's predisposed to disbelieve charismatic miracles. As a matter of principle, he doubts or denies them. 

iv) Or is Fred denying the comparison with naturalists? To begin with, that's ambiguous. Preferring a naturalistic explanation can mean one of two different things:

a) "Naturalistic" can be a synonym for "atheistic." 

b) "Naturalistic" can mean seeking a natural cause–in contrast to a supernatural cause. 

v) Apropos (iv), if E.T.s exist, they are natural (i.e. biological) creatures. If E.T.s visit the earth, they use natural (i.e. technological) means. Seeking a naturalistic explanation would be so explain the phenomena at the same level as the phenomena. Seeking a natural cause for a natural event or natural entity. In that case, interpreting the event by natural probabilities is fitting. 

But that's where Fred's analogy breaks down. For at least some miracles are supernaturally caused. Caused by supernatural agents or supernaturally empowered agents. To default to a naturalistic explanation for a reported miracle is atheistic. 

vi) In addition, his analogy breaks down in another respect. For it may be that some UFOs invite a supernatural explanation. 

Craig Keener's Acts Commentary

I'm going to be posting some material from Craig Keener's commentary on Acts (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Academic, 2012) over the next several days. James Dunn calls Keener's commentary "unbeatable in today's market" on issues of historicity, Richard Bauckham calls it "magisterial" and refers to Keener's "encyclopedic knowledge of ancient literature", and Daniel Marguerat calls it "the most comprehensive commentary on Acts to date", among other endorsements. Once the forthcoming volumes are published, the commentary is supposed to be about 5000 pages long. I've read the entirety of the introduction, which is about 650 pages, but only a small minority of the remainder. The pages are large, and there are a lot of footnotes with small print, so those 650 pages in the introduction might be something like 1000 pages in the average book. I'll only be citing material from the introduction, but even what I cite there has to be highly selective. I'll quote some of Keener's arguments for his conclusions, but I'll often cite his conclusions without the accompanying argumentation.

“This is my body” – thoughts on a “sacramental presence”

Andrew Clover
Andrew Clover
Andrew Clover provides some irenic commentary:
... Unfortunately there are certain important things that we have not historically agreed upon and we shouldn’t pretend those things don’t exist or don’t matter. They do matter and attempts to minimize the importance of certain doctrines will ultimately end in fruitlessness at best, or a sort a-doctrinal liberalism at worst. After all, true unity in the biblical sense can only exists around truth. And if we are not in agreement on what that truth is, then we don’t have unity in the full sense of the word….

When describing their view of the supper, Lutherans will almost invariably say something along the lines of “We take Christ at His word. When The Lord says ‘this is my body’ we acknowledge that it ‘is’ "His body.” It is a source of pride for the Lutheran, not pride in a sinful sense, that their theology doesn’t require them to change the words of institution or play logical and philosophical games or do mental gymnastics with the text. Often times the argument from a Lutheran is as simple as “Hey, is=is.” While I admire the approach to scripture that insists on letting the word speak and not making it say what it doesn’t, I believe that this claim to take Christ’s words literally while others do not is where the Lutheran argument falls on its own petard….

Cardinal’s statement that Council of Trent still “fully valid” in Netherlands casts poo-poo on unity week

It’s “the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity” in the Netherlands, but a bad old Cardinal, a card-carrying member of the Roman Magisterium, has cast a poo-poo on all of that by reminding everyone that the anathemas of the Council of Trent are still valid.

An official “Church spokesperson” “expressed shock” and dismissed the Cardinal’s words as “merely theoretical”.

“Does she, or doesn’t she?” **



Dutch cardinal’s defence of Council of Trent casts shadow over Unity week:

To whom are miracles undeniable?


@JoshElsom @dawest85 But could they deny it? The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus miracles, but they couldn't deny them.

Fred's argument suffers from a fatal equivocation. To whom were the miracles of Christ undeniable?

i) The Pharisees were religious Jews. They believed in demons. They believed in possession. They believed in exorcism. Indeed, there were Jewish exorcists. 

In his response to their accusation, Jesus exploits their belief and practice to trap them in dilemmas:

18 And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul. 19 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? (Lk 11:18-19). 
So the exorcisms of Christ were undeniable for them, given their religious outlook. 
ii) But it doesn't follow that an exorcism would be undeniably miraculous for atheists. To the contrary, atheists find exorcism eminently deniable. They deny the precondition. They don't believe in demons or demonic possession. 
Atheists have two basic ways of deny miracles:
a) They try to deny the occurrence of a miracle. They say, Which is more likely: that a reported miracle happened, or that reporters are unreliable?
b) Failing that, they have a fallback. They concede the occurrence of the event in question, but deny the miraculous interpretation of the event. They say, Which is more likely: a naturalistic explanation or a supernatural explanation?  
iii) Furthermore, Fred himself doesn't regard exorcism as undeniably miraculous. For instance, Fred automatically discounts Catholic miracles. Hence, I assume that Fred automatically discounts Catholic exorcisms. 
For that matter, I don't know if Fred even credits evangelical exorcisms. For instance, there are Lutherans and Anglicans who perform exorcisms. Does Fred make allowance for that? Or does his cessationism preemptively deny that? 
iv) Indeed, that goes to the circularity of his definition. In my observation, this is how MacArthurites define deniability:
A miracle is deniable if a MacArthurite denies it. 
By definition, charismatic miracles are deniable. By definition, Biblical miracles are undeniable. 
MacArthurites make what they are personally prepared to believe or disbelieve the real standard of comparison. 
v) So what makes a miracle deniable or undeniable is person-variable. It depends on your worldview. What's undeniable for a Christian may be deniable for an atheist. 
At least, Christians ought to have different criteria than atheists for assessing reported miracles. Unfortunately, the objections that MacArthurties raise to charismatic miracles often ape the objections that atheists raise to Biblical miracles. 

Wednesday, January 22, 2014

Instant healing


Joshua Elsom@JoshElsom 19h @Fred_Butler but you'd certainly be satisfied with any healing right, from a high fever (Mark 1:29—31) to a resurrection as evidence? 
Fred Butler@Fred_Butler 11h @JoshElsom A high fever healed instantly (104 to 98.6) in a sec. by a healer. Sure. I don't believe anyone has be resurrected by a healer.

There are several problems with Fred's response:

i) The text doesn't say Peter's mother-in-law was running a fever of 104º. And it does't say her temperature dropped back to normal in one second. All it says is:

30 Now Simon's mother-in-law lay ill with a fever, and immediately they told him about her. 31 And he came and took her by the hand and lifted her up, and the fever left her, and she began to serve them.

Suppose she was running a fever of 102º? Suppose it took five minutes for her temperature to drop back to normal. Would that still be a miracle by Fred's lights?


ii) Now, in Fred's defense, he might say that he's just introducing some common sense caveats. A fever can range along a continuum, from a slightly elevated temperature to a life-threatening temperature. Likewise, the rate at which a fever drops can range along a continuum, from rapid to slow. And a rapidly dropping high fever is more impressive, more "miraculous," than a slowing dropping low fever. No doubt going from 104º is one second is more impressive, more "miraculous," than going from 100º is 30 minutes. 


And I don't object to that. If I were evaluating a faith-healer, I think those are reasonable considerations.


iii) If, however, Fred is going to take that approach, then he needs to drop the pose of holding modern faith-healers to the standard of "NT quality miracles." For Fred isn't really using NT miracles as his litmus test.


a) For one thing, I've never even seen him volunteer this example. That had to be shoved in his face. Fred is very finicky about just what NT miracles furnish the standard of comparison. Several NT miracles aren't "NT quality miracles" for purposes of testing charismatic miracles.


b) In addition, even when he is confronted with this example, it doesn't set the bar. To the contrary, he takes that case, then ratchets it up several more notches by adding some demanding qualifications which have no counterpart in the text. 

iv) One final observation. Is instant restoration necessarily restorative? Suppose a boy is playing on a frozen pond. He falls through the ice. By the time he's wheeled into the ER, he has a temperature of 56.7º. 
Suppose the ER has equipment that can raise his temperature from 56.7º to 98.6º in one second. Would that be sound medical practice? Would that restore him or kill him? Which is better for him–raising his temperature instantly or gradually? I'm not a medical professional, but doesn't the body need time to adjust? 
Perhaps that consideration is inapplicable to a miraculous healing. Maybe, maybe not. My immediate point is to question the facile assumption that instantaneous healing is necessity superior to something more gradual.  

Fred's decoy


Fred Butler ‏@Fred_Butler 45mGood ole Steve Hays becomes an apologist for Cleansing Stream Ministries, 

Actually, I'm responding to Fred on his own terms. He framed the issue a certain way, and I'm responding to him according to his chosen framework. 

Does Fred lack faith in his own argument? Does he not believe in his stated criteria? 

Undeniable exorcisms

Fred Butler ‏But could they deny it? The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus miracles, but they couldn't deny them.

That's very revealing. Fred's usual schtick is amputees. But what kind of miracle is Fred referring to in this instance? Presumbly, he's alluding to this incident:

22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons” (Mt 12:22-24).
The Pharisees don't deny it. They can't deny it. So they try to discredit the miracle by reassigning the cause. Instead of attributing the miracle to divine agency, they attribute the miracle to Satanic agency. 
But notice the kind of miracle which this account narrates. It's not Jesus healing amputees, but Jesus casting out demons. 
Is it Fred's position that exorcism is an undeniable miracle? A "NT quality miracle?" That's what his appeal to Mt 12:22:24 commits him to. 
But by that logic, if some modern-day Christians perform successful exorcisms, then that would meet Fred's criterion. That would prove continuationism and disprove cessationism.  

The Western

It's an interesting question why the Western is a defining American genre rather than, say, the Colonial American period. There's stuff in Cotton Mather that would make for a great movie or TV drama. Likewise, The Last Mohican is a fine film. 

But somehow that period never caught on. Of course, that's in part a result of the fact that directors prefer films and TV dramas about the Old West rather than Colonial America. 

Yet I think a lot of the appeal has to do with freedom from civilization. Big sky country. Simplicity. 

It's a very masculine lifestyle. 

Westerns also reflect a longing for the past. Something both science fiction and the Western share is a discontent with the present. Westerns are past-oriented while SF is future-oriented. 

Not only can people feel out of place, they can feel out of sync. That they don't belong in this time. It's too early or too late.

SF tends to cut against the grain of religion because, in SF, the "magic" is supplied by advanced technology rather than miracles, witchcraft, and spirits. 

There are exceptions like Frank Herbert's Dune series. Of course, that's "soft" SF. And it reflects his eclectic interests.

Westerns often trade on a man-against-nature motif, where there's nothing between you and a hostile environment. That's in contrast to a lot of SF, where humans live on space ships and futuristic cities. 

In a Western setting, God is the only thing between you and death. You don't have that technological cushion. 

That gives many Westerns a more primitive, elemental quality that can dovetail with religious themes. 

Likewise, the desert landscape lends itself to allegory. 

It has a more "biblical" appearance, like the Mideast. Vast, dry, majestic, but austere and inhospitable. 

The mechanics of reincarnation


Those who defend reincarnation think it's a direct and straightforward explanation for certain phenomena. But even if that's the case for the front-end of the operation, the back-end of the operation is very complicated. Lots of moving parts. It takes some heave-duty metaphysics to make it work, and traditions which sponsors reincarnation lack the metaphysical resources to ground their dogma. Even for theistic Eastern traditions, not just any god or gods would be up to the task. It would require a very powerful, very knowledgeable deity (or collaboration of deities) to control and coordinate the process. And the situation is even more problematic for traditions which deny personal gods: 

There are, after all, major non-theistic religious traditions that affirm an afterlife. Noteworthy in this connection are Jainism, Buddhism, and non-theistic varieties of Hinduism, all of which affirm an afterlife in the form of the doctrines of karma and reincarnation. However, these traditions face a major internal difficulty, which if recognized would tend to push them in the direction of theism. This difficulty is what Robin Collins has termed the “karma management problem.” He writes, 
Traditionally Buddhists have believed that by and large the circumstances of one's rebirth are determined by one's karma — that is, one's deeds, whether good or bad in this and previous lives. This, however, seems to require that there exist something like a “program” that arranges your genes, the family conditions you are born into, and the like to correspond to the moral worth of your past deeds (Collins 1999, p. 206). 
For theists, such as many Hindus, this minute arrangement of one's life circumstances to match one's karma can be viewed simply as the work of God. But if there is no God, what is this “karma program,” and how was it initiated? We know today, by means that were not available to the ancient Hindus and Buddhists, that “nature” — the nature that is known and studied in the natural sciences — simply doesn't work this way. The laws of nature are subtle and marvelously complex (though also, in their own way, “simple”), but it is abundantly clear that they do not work in such a way as to determine physical situations in accordance with the moral worth of persons, or in accordance with any moral considerations whatsoever. The laws of nature, we might say, are no respecters of persons — or of morality. Rather, they are impersonal in character, and in many cases are expressible in mathematical formulae that are far removed from the teleology that permeates human existence. So if there is a “karmic moral order” of the sort postulated by the Indian traditions, it must be something radically different from the order of nature that (so far as science can discern) governs the physical processes of the world. And yet the two orders must be intimately related, for it is precisely these physical processes which, in the end, are said to be disposed in accordance with one's karma. It is wholly implausible that two diverse systems of cosmic order such as this should arise from unrelated sources and come together accidentally; they must, then, have a common source. If the common source of the natural order and the karmic order is impersonal, we are still in need of some account of how and why it would be such as to produce these two quite different sorts of order in the cosmos. These questions, it would seem, are much more readily answered if we postulate a personal source of both the natural and the moral order — that is to say, a God who desired that there be created persons, and who wished to provide a stable natural order within which they could live and exercise their varied powers. 
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/#MetSupSur

Can the leopard change its spots?


I read that Michael Brown recently offered a potential defense of Benny Hinn on the grounds the Hinn has repudiated his heresies. (Admittedly, this is second-hand. I haven't listened to Brown's broadcast.) Assuming that's an accurate summary of Brown's argument, it presents a conundrum. How, exactly, would Hinn be able to retract his heresies? Doesn't he claim to be a prophet? Didn't he originally claim that his theological aberrations were the result of his prophetic insights? The only consistent way for Hinn to recant his heresies would be for him to recant his prophetic pretensions. Confess that he never was a real prophet. That he was either a deceiver or self-deceived.  

Hare Krishna commits hara-kiri


I'm going to comment on a recent post by Michael Sudduth:


I’d say that my curiosity in survival-related questions began when I was around eight years old.  After having recurrent apparitional experiences in the house I lived in with my parents at the time, I began wondering whether there were real things that I could not normally see but which became visible under certain conditions.  And seeing as I recognized some of the apparitions as deceased members of my family or friends of the family, the experiences prompted the question, is death really the end of our existence?  I never said anything about these experiences to my parents, but I remember feeling encouraged when a couple of years later my grandmother shared with me an apparitional experience she had of my grandfather shortly after his death.  And I recall, on another occasion, overhearing another family member secretly discussing her apparitional experience of my grandfather. In my teenage years I had a variety of paranormal experiences over a two-year period.  Given my prior experiences, I decided to document the experiences in a journal I kept at the time.  I was also inspired by the 1972 television series the Sixth Sense to explore these experiences through various readings in parapsychology.  Interestingly enough, during this time my mother reported an apparitional experience of my grandfather a few days before the death of my grandmother.  Although my mother had no knowledge of my grandmother’s experience several years earlier, her description of the apparition was remarkably similar to what my grandmother had described. In 2002 I left Saint Michael’s College and moved into a historic home in Windsor, Connecticut. There my ex-wife and I had a large number of paranormal experiences, which I documented in written form.  After moving out of the house in 2004, I conducted some interviews with prior occupants of the home and learned that they had similar experiences.  I became very fascinated with the nature of these shared experiences, seemingly tied to a particular physical location, and their possible implications for postmortem survival.   I’ve had the added benefit of participating in a number of paranormal investigations and developing friendships with various mediums over the past eight years.  So my thinking on this topic has been shaped by a wide-range of first-hand experiences, as well as my research and training as a philosopher.

The interview indicates that his experience of the paranormal goes back to childhood. It predates his teenage dabbling with a Ouija board. So this may be a family curse that's been passed down from one generation to the next. And befriending mediums invites further self-delusion. 

Although I was greatly impressed with Price’s reflections on the empirical approach to survival, my conservative Christian views at the time, together with my focus on other topics in graduate school, dissuaded me from a further exploration. On my current view, I think there is a legitimate debate about what exactly paranormal phenomena establish about the reality and nature of postmortem survival.  That’s an issue at the center of my present work.  I am a Vedantin philosopher, so I certainly accept the idea of survival, at least broadly understood as the postmortem persistence of consciousness. 
Well, let me begin with some important caveats and clarifications. Unlike many other philosophers, I don’t object to the survival hypothesis itself, nor do I deny that people can be epistemically justified in believing in survival.  I’ve already stated that I subscribe to the eastern philosophical and spiritual tradition of Vedanta.  So I don’t believe that what I essentially am shares in the limits or destiny of my body or individual mind.  I am a survivalist. 

On the one hand, he doesn't hesitate to promote positions which contradict Christian theology. On the other hand, he can't bring himself to take a position that contradicts Hare Krishna. 

I'd like to make a few general observations about the interview:

i) I think his analysis suffers from reductionism. He seems to be seeking a single causal explanation for all the phenomena in question. But what if there's more than one cause? On the face of it, there are potentially three different parties to one or another of these transactions: ghosts, demons, the medium. So perhaps the correct explanation varies. In some cases a ghost might be the best explanation. In other cases a demon. In still other cases, the medium might be psychic.

I'd add that the demonic explanation and the psychic explanation are not mutually exclusive. A medium might be demonically empowered thru possession. 

ii) We need to draw some theoretical distinctions in terms of apparitions. In principle, there are two or three distinctions:

a) The dead initiating contact with the living. 

b) The living initiating contact with the dead. A medium opens a two-way channel. Whether the dead respond might be voluntary.

c) Summoning the dead. The dead are compelled to appear. Classic sorcery. 

I'm not vouching for the reality of these distinctions. Just drawing them for conceptual clarity. Having a bigger toolbox helps us classify and assess the evidence. Likewise, I'm discussing what's possible, not permissible. 

iii) Both (b) and (c) would be cases of necromancy. A Biblically forbidden activity.

iv) Assuming, for the sake of argument, that it's possible to summon the dead or initiate contact with the dead, what class of decedents would be available? Departed saints? Or the damned? 

Since Scripture forbids necromancy, it seems antecedently unlikely that God would make departed saints available to mediums. However, we have the counterexample of the medium summoning Saul (1 Sam 28). That, however, may be quite exceptional. Saul's attempt to contact Samuel backfires. For Samuel uses the occasion to denounce Saul. The exercise seals the fate of the apostate king. God may have allowed Saul to appear for that express purpose. That would also explain why the medium seemed to be surprised. Perhaps wasn't expecting Samuel to actually appear. 

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that necromancy is sometimes successful, it seems more likely that only the damned would be accessible. Admittedly, that's speculative. 

v) But what about (a)? Is it permissible for departed saints to appear to the living? That's hard to say. 

There are credible reports of apparitions of the dead. That, of itself, doesn't necessarily establish the identity of the apparition. It appears to be the decedent. But at least in some cases, appearances might be deceptive. 

vi) As a Christian, I'm not ashamed to admit that I discount reincarnation on theological grounds. 

vii) In addition, reincarnation isn't clearly the simplest overall explanation for certain phenomena. That's because simplicity involves more than one variable. For instance, even if reincarnation is the simplest discrete explanation for certain phenomena, that must be counterbalanced by the fact that reincarnation is metaphysically cumbersome. It would require elaborate offstage machinery to pull that off. So the explanatory simplicity of reincarnation is deceptive. 

viii) I've also analyzed prima facie evidence for reincarnation on several occasions:




NT quality miracles


Fred Butler  I guarantee none of them have witnessed a NT quality miracle. Amputees having limbs restored & quadriplegics restored. None if them. But restoring limbs was a regular work of Christ along w/ restoring sight & hearing. Why doesn't it happen now? The same with amputees. Jesus healed amputees in Mt 15. Any Iraqi veterans having limbs restored? Why not?

There are numerous problems with Fred's argument;

i) Why does he set the bar at "NT quality miracles" rather than Biblical quality miracles? Why doesn't he include OT miracles in his standard of comparison?

ii) Does Mt 15 say Jesus healed amputees? As various scholars have pointed out, the terminology in 15:30-31 is influenced by OT usage. The text alludes to Isa 35:5-6. And Nolland, in his standard commentary on the Greek text (639-40), makes a case for taking "maimed" as an allusion to Zech 11:16. In that event, the meaning is colored by OT usage. Moreover, the genre is poetic. Figurative usage, which plays on the shepherd/sheep metaphor. So Fred's interpretation is linguistically dubious.

iii) Moreover, appealing to Mt 15 doesn't falls short of showing that restoring limbs was a "regular" work of Christ. 

BTW, Jesus still exists. He rose from the dead and ascended to the Father. He's quite capable of healing at a distance. Yet by Fred's lights, he hasn't regularly healed amputees for the past 2000 years. So where does that leave Fred's comparison? 

iv) Furthermore, his argument either proves too much or too little. Notice that Fred confines his appeal to Christ rather than the Apostles. He doesn't quote any examples of apostles healing amputees. But if restoring amputees is a litmus test of a true healer, then by his own yardstick, the apostles were charlatans. At least, we have no record of their healing amputees. So we can't presume that they did so, in the absence of any textual evidence to that effect. In that event, how can we hold contemporary Christians to a higher standard than the Apostles? 

v) Finally, there's the problem of what constitutes a "NT quality miracle." Is the draught of fish a NT quality miracle? Is dispelling the fever of Peter's mother-in-law a NT quality miracle? Is the coin in the fish's mouth a NT miracle. Is exorcism a NT quality miracle? 

Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Sacrament of Penance: Public? Private? Once? Repeatable?

The Sacramental World in the Sentence of Peter Lombard

The human predicament ... was that, no matter what, people sin again: private penance, not public penance, is a remedy for those fresh outbreaks. Even Gratian, down in Bologna, argued for repeatability: charity rules that the ancient tradition of public penance should not be enforced, even though its rules should remain on the books. Why? Although Augustine, in other contexts, argued for unrepeatability, Gratian cited the anti-Donatist Augustine, who defined penance as the way of dealing with postbaptismal sin, yet argued that Donatists thought that rebaptism was the only means to reconciliation.

Peter argued for repeatability by citing what seem to be self-contradictory opinions of the authorities. In the first distinction on penance (distinction 14), for instance, he cited Ambrose, Augustine, and Origen that penance is a once-in-a-lifetime event. He then cites Augustine, Ambrose, and John Chrysostom that penance can be repeated as often as sins arise.

The infallible Council of Trent ruled that it was repeatable, private, to a priest, and it always had been, from the moment Christ instituted the sacrament.

Praying for amputees

Fred Butler ‏So you would pray that an Iraqi war veteran would have his limbs restored fully? Lay hands on him to that end?

i) I don't know the point of Fred's question. Is he suggesting that Christians shouldn't pray for physical healing? Is he suggesting it's wrong to pray for the physical restoration of an amputee?

Speaking for myself, I don't see why we shouldn't pray for that. Whether or not God grants the request, there's nothing wrong with praying for that–since we don't know ahead of time what God is prepared to do. 

ii) By the way, I've encountered MacArthurites who deny that answers to prayer are ever miraculous. If you pray for someone dying of cancer and he recovers, that's "providential" rather than miraculous. 

Is that Fred's position? If so, he can't say God no longer performs that kind of miracle in answer to prayer, if MacArthurites don't even classify that as a miracle. 
Fred Butler  James 5:13-14 is abt restoring a sinner to fellowship (sickness due to their sin). 
i) I'm not clear on Fred's answer. Do elders at Grace Community church refuse to obey Jas 5:13-14? 

ii) Is Fred saying Jas 5:13-14 is about restoring a sinner to fellowship rather than physical healing? Is it merely about confession and forgiveness rather than a prayer for healing? 
Fred Butler ‏If God were doing the miracles today as you say, it would be evident to all his people.

i) So Fred admits that MacArthurites do judge continuationism by experience. Yet they chide charismatics for judging continuationism by experience. Why the double standard?


ii) How evident would miracles be? For instance, there's credible evidence that Joy Davidman went into remission when an Anglican priest laid hands on her and prayed for her. However, that's only public knowledge because she was the wife of a famous Christian. And even then, I daresay many Christians don't know about it because they aren't into C. S. Lewis. 
Dan Phillips ‏Dude, happens all th time. In Africa, or like the Australian bush. 23 feet beyond camera-shot. Daily!

Or like the reported miracles in the Sinai desert. Or like the reported temptation of Christ in the wilderness.  Why is Dan Phillips the dummy to Carl Sagan's ventriloquist? 

"The God of the universe"


And as for violence, I think you continue to underestimate the sheer brutality of it in the OT, perhaps to preserve a fundamental continuity at all costs. Israel's God kills or sanctions killing humans to take the land and give it to his people. He also either orders or sits by as Israel takes captive women and children, and in at least once incident, allows the division of virgin women as spoil (Number 31). Do you really think the God of the universe was OK with that then?

That's an odd statement. Unless Enns is an atheist, he does believe that the God of the universe "sits by" while things like this happen. Even if he denies the historicity of the OT narratives, things like that certainly happen in the real world. Unless he's an atheist, he must at the very least believe that God is "OK" with allowing that to happen, even though he could prevent it, whether or not he commands it.
Temple and purity laws reflect ANE cultural conventions to which God allowed himself to be adapted and by which he allowed the ancient tribal Israelites to worship him. The Gospel teaches that these things are to be left behind and therefore their substance is critiqued.

That's revealing. According to Enns, divine accommodation means God allowed himself to be adapted to false worship. But that dissolves the distinction between pagan impiety and true piety. 

BTW, Enns tries to put Bible-believing Christians on the defensive. "How dare you believe God commanded these atrocities!" His attitude is usually indistinguishable from Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens.

Problem is, I think he still claims to be a Christian, so he needs to explain how he can straddle the fence between inerrancy and atheism. Since Hitchens and Dawkins don't pretend to be Christian, they are free to trash the Bible. (Mind you, they have difficulty justifying their moralistic value judgments.)

At least inerrantists have a consistent position. How can he continue to believe, assuming he still does, that Christianity is a revealed religion, yet constantly attack the revelatory source of Christianity? 

He's not entitled to be so judgmental when he's so intellectually duplicitous. 

Bridgegate


I haven't bothered to follow "Bridgegate" too closely. But apparently the liberal media has gone overboard in covering the scandal. What's odd about this is the long-term political strategy. Presumably, the liberal media is seizing the opportunity to take down a prominent Republican politician and likely presidential hopeful. Is the objective to preempt him from becoming the GOP nominee? 

If so, what's odd about that strategy is that it does Christie's conservative rivals a favor. Christie would be the candidate favored by the Republican establishment. Backed by party bosses and operatives like Karl Rove. They always go for a "moderate" Republican who's supposedly more electable than a rightwing ideologue–because we've seen how well that worked in the past (e.g. Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney). 

To knock Christie out of the running makes it more likely that a more conservative candidate will get the nomination. It's unclear how that advances the liberal agenda, unless the liberal media is convinced that a conservative has no chance of winning in the general election, whereas Christie might have a shot. Is that the thinking? Or is it just reflexive?