The natives are restless
MARK P. SHEA SAID:
You guys are pigs. I used to have a scintilla of respect for you. No more. In a more civilized age somebody would challenge you swine to pistols at dawn.
MARK P. SHEA SAID:
Taylor:
Do not cast your pearls before swine.
There are two ways of drawing a picture of a pig. One is to draw a picture (and Hays/Bugay and Co have drawn a fine self-portrait).
The other is to draw a picture of a pig and write below it, "This is a pig."
You don't need to write that. All normal people can see the pigs here.
The oinking here does not require a reply from Catholics. It requires stony silence.
JAMES SAID:
You know, you could also apologise outright for all the deliberate Catholic-baiting you've done and the wilful aggrievation involved. "I think your church sucks for many reasons, but I shouldn't have talked in that way. Please forgive me." Your pride is not worth holding on to, will not save you, and does not please God.
Dave Armstrong said...
A truly sad case . . . please pray and do penance for this poor deluded soul who is leading many astray (his blog gets as many daily hits as mine does; he's not just spreading this filth to five or six people). Among anti-Catholics, he is considered one of the best critics of the Catholic Church.
Nothing new under the sun
18Also many of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. 19And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20So the word of the Lord continued to increase and prevail mightily.
21Now after these events Paul resolved in the Spirit to pass through Macedonia and Achaia and go to Jerusalem, saying, "After I have been there, I must also see Rome." 22And having sent into Macedonia two of his helpers, Timothy and Erastus, he himself stayed in Asia for a while.
23About that time there arose no little disturbance concerning the Way. 24For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. 25 These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said, "Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship."
28When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, "Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!" 29So the city was filled with the confusion, and they rushed together into the theater, dragging with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were Paul’s companions in travel. 30But when Paul wished to go in among the crowd, the disciples would not let him. 31And even some of the Asiarchs, who were friends of his, sent to him and were urging him not to venture into the theater. 32 Now some cried out one thing, some another, for the assembly was in confusion, and most of them did not know why they had come together. (Acts 19:18-32)
Steve Hays = the Apostle Paul
ReplyDeleteNow it all makes sense and everything is forgiven.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Romish superstitions per se, but I must say that monasticism, celibacy and bodily self-inflictions could be criticized in a more tasteful manner than with sexual innuendo borrowed from worldlings like Camille Paglia or comparing nuns to S/M experts.
ReplyDeleteWe are all sinners and sometimes allow modern world's lewd ideas ever-so-slightly to creep into our ways of talking.
Haha, LOLROTF,
ReplyDeleteit all comes down to money, doesn't it?
Act 24:24 After some days Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, and he sent for Paul and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus.
Act 24:25 And as he reasoned about righteousness and self-control and the coming judgment, Felix was alarmed and said, "Go away for the present. When I get an opportunity I will summon you."
Act 24:26 At the same time he hoped that money would be given him by Paul. So he sent for him often and conversed with him.
Act 24:27 When two years had elapsed, Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus. And desiring to do the Jews a favor, Felix left Paul in prison.
Viisaus, I've always appreciated your encouragement, but Steve's not really out-doing reality here:
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VIISAUS SAID:
ReplyDelete"I have no sympathy whatsoever for Romish superstitions per se, but I must say that monasticism, celibacy and bodily self-inflictions could be criticized in a more tasteful manner than with sexual innuendo borrowed from worldlings like Camille Paglia."
i) Actually, worldings like Paglia are good at spotting worldliness in the church. They can recognize worldliness when they see it because they themselves are worldly.
Moreover, just try Googling "St. Sebastian" with some search terms like "homoerotic" and see what you pull up. You don't even have to click on the links to get the picture.
I'm less concerned with what is "tasteful" than what is truthful. The OT is full of "tasteless" stories. Yet they were they're because they are true, and they have a cautionary lesson to teach us.
I'm trying to think of a mixed metaphor here. Two birds with one stone and hurt dogs yelp the loudest, or something like that.
ReplyDeleteRAYMOND SAID:
ReplyDelete"Steve Hays = the Apostle Paul. Now it all makes sense and everything is forgiven."
Try learning the concept of analogy.
Just as pagan idolaters work themselves into a frenzy with their idols come falling down, so do Catholic idolaters.
However, the Catholic idolaters have found an ally in Raymond.
When people are upset by the tone, it generally proves they can't debate the substance.
ReplyDeletePeter: even aside from the fact that the substance was addressed, that's a very dubious principle to rely on. It holds true if and only if people never get irritated at anything, ever, except being proven wrong; and acts as a dubious incentive when people realise that they can win arguments just by winding people up. (It also makes you prone to self-deception - "they're getting mad! Clearly our arguments were superior - they're all heretics and their mothers are whores!")
ReplyDeleteAlso I notice Raymond's second comment in this thread was deleted. I'm curious as to why, as it didn't transgress the stated comments policy.
James,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you do when the person puts over a position, like the men of Triablogue do consistently in here on the following basis and people take offense to their position in any event?
1Ti 1:5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
Do you answer the fool according to his folly?
Or do you just leave him with his false imagination thinking you are foolish?
"What do you do when the person puts over a position, like the men of Triablogue do consistently in here on the following basis and people take offense to their position in any event?"
ReplyDeleteYou could try putting over that position in a way that doesn't offend even people who hold that very same position. (See the first two posts in this thread.)