Thomas Keningley
Given this distinction between Christ qua man and Christ qua God, how can we know what elements of the relationship between Christ and the Father revealed to us in the gospels are revelations of their intrinsic intra-trinitarian relationships and which are not and pertain to Christ qua man?
That’s a
good question.
i) Keep
in mind that the distinction between the immanent Trinity and the economic
Trinity is an issue that all orthodox Trinitarians must deal with. We may draw
the line at different places, but we all draw the line somewhere.
ii) Keep
in mind that this distinction isn’t unique to the Trinity. It’s a special case
of a larger distinction between what God is like in himself, and God’s
self-revelation in and to the world. God often reveals himself in Scripture
through metaphors, analogies, anthropomorphisms, angelomorphisms, &c.
That’s not identical to what God is like in himself. So that’s comparable, on a
broader scale, to the distinction between the immanent Trinity and the economic
Trinity.
iii)
Keep in mind that this isn’t distinctive to theology or theological knowledge.
Most of what we know about the world is analogical. Human language is
analogical. It doesn’t suddenly become analogical when we apply it to God. It’s
already analogical when we apply it to the world.
Likewise,
the Bible uses many theological metaphors, but metaphors aren’t confined to
God. The Bible also uses metaphors for human beings. For the human condition.
So it’s
not as if the analogical nature of God-talk presents a special problem for
theological knowledge. Rather, this is a ubiquitous feature of human language
and human knowledge.
iv)
Apropos (iii), the Song of Songs uses a wealth of metaphors to depict male and
female lovers, as well as lovemaking. Likewise, Eccl 12 uses the extended
metaphor of a house to describe the aging process.
v) All
metaphors are analogies, but not all analogies are metaphors. Metaphors are
figures of speech. Mere rhetorical or literary artifacts. Moreover, metaphors
typically compare different kinds of things. Indeed, what makes for an
arresting metaphor is the juxtaposition of two disparate things.
Back to analogies: let’s
take the following illustration:
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (Rev 1:12, KJV).Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands (Rev 1:12, ESV).
The King
James translators updated the original by replacing the archaic lighting device
known as “lampstands” with the hitech lighting device known as “candlesticks.”
Of
course, that’s anachronistic. If modern translators continued that trend,
they’d render the verse:
Then I
turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven
golden light bulbs (or fluorescent tubes).
But the
historical incongruity would be too jarring for modern readers. Because modern
readers have grown up on historical films which try to reproduce period
conditions, modern translators have reverted to the archaic original.
Now,
lamps, candles, and light bulbs are analogous objects. They have both
similarities and differences.
Lamps
were made of metal or ceramic. Olive oil was used for fuel. Candles were made
from tallow or bee’s wax. In that respect they’re disanalogous.
However,
they both emit firelight, and they are both forms of artificial lighting. So
that’s what they have in common.
In one
respect, candles and light bulbs have very little in common. If you didn’t know
what they were for, you’d think they were completely disparate objects. Candles
and light bulbs have different shapes, and they are made of different
materials.
Yet they
have one thing in common: they were designed to perform the same function. To
provide artificial illumination.
At that
level of comparison, they are identical or univocal.
v) Let’s
consider some metaphors:
Behold, the eye of the Lord is on those who fear him,on those who hope in his steadfast love (Ps 33:18).The eyes of the Lord are toward the righteousand his ears toward their cry (Ps 34:15).
Here the
Bible is using the eye as a theological metaphor for divine omniscience. That’s
combined with the idea of God’s providential care for his people. Providence
based on knowledge.
Say therefore to the people of Israel, ‘I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from slavery to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great acts of judgment (Exod 6:6).Or has any god ever attempted to go and take a nation for himself from the midst of another nation, by trials, by signs, by wonders, and by war, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, and by great deeds of terror, all of which the Lord your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes? (Deut 4:34).And the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great deeds of terror, with signs and wonders (Deut 26:8).
Here the
Bible is using the image of an “outstretched arm” as a theological metaphor for
God’s omnipotence, exercised in deliverance and judgment.
God
doesn’t literally stretch forth his arm. However, the metaphor does contain a
literal truth. We use our hands and arms to bring about a change in the world.
At that level of abstraction, it’s a literally true statement about divine
action in the Exodus.
vi)
Apropos (iii), some of what we know is based on direct observation or personal
experience, but most of what we know about the world is based on analogy. We
extrapolate from our sampled experience to reality at large.
If you
tell me that you own a dog, I extrapolate from my knowledge of dogs, based on
dogs I’ve seen in pictures or real life. Likewise, when you use the word “dog,”
that triggers my concept of dogs, based on the association of the word with a
sampling of dogs.
vii)
This raises the problem of induction. Am I justified in generalizing from my
sample cases? How do I know that my sample cases are representative?
Here a
Biblical doctrine of divine creation and providence can help to ground analogy.
If God has created natural kinds, which he conserves over time, then we’re
justified in extrapolating from sample cases to other cases.
viii)
Likewise, I’m not suggesting that all knowledge is empirical. For instance, I
don’t think we acquire a concept of numerical relations by observing groups of
similar objects. If I didn’t already have the concept of two, I wouldn’t
recognize a grouping of two ducks as two ducks. I don’t think it’s possible to
bootstrap numerical concepts from induction. Rather, I think that conceptual
apparatus must be innate.
ix) I’ve
been using transparent metaphors like eyes and arms. It’s possible to analyze
these metaphors. Indeed, I’ve done so.
However,
the average Bible reader doesn’t need to analyze the metaphor to understand it.
We enjoy an intuitive, instantaneous sense of what the figurative use of eyes
and arms signifies. That’s something we grasp at a subliminal level without
having to having to run through a conscious process of abstraction to filter
out the extraneous, incidental connotations of theological metaphors.
A Bible
reader doesn’t have to have a theory of analogy or analogical predication to
grasp the significance many Biblical metaphors and analogies.
x) The
Bible uses a number of theological metaphors for the person or work of the Holy
Spirit, viz. wind, breath, oil, dove, fire, first fruit.
Indeed,
the name of the Spirit is, itself, a figurative name which trades on the
metaphorical connotations of wind, breath, &c.
This is
one of the problems with defining the ontology of the Holy Spirit by reference
to “spiration.” That’s arbitrarily selective. For Scripture uses a variety of
metaphors to describe the Holy Spirit.
Take the
description of the Holy Spirit as a dove. The Holy Spirit isn’t literally a
dove, although he can manifest himself in avian images. What does that signify?
a) Well,
we can start with our general knowledge of doves. Our mundane knowledge of
doves, which we derive from our empirical knowledge of the world. What are the
physical and behavioral characteristics of doves?
b) We
can also study dovish symbolism in Scripture.
These
are ways of honing in on the intended scope of the metaphor. Ways of isolating
the point of analogy.
Same
thing with the Trinity. There’s no shortcut for how to distinguish the immanent
Trinity from the economic Trinity. Rather, we have to roll up our sleeves and
perform a detailed study of how various Bible writers use theological analogies
and metaphors. How do they function? What facets of the analogy or metaphor do
they single out–thereby discarding other connotations by process of
elimination?
xi) I’ve
given examples of theological analogies and metaphors where it’s possible,
through abstraction, to isolate an identical or univocal element which two
things share in common. But is that a requirement of analogical knowledge and
analogical predication?
Take
family resemblance. Children resembles their parents, or vice versa. A child
may resemble one parent more than another. Likewise, sibling resemblance, both
between brothers and sisters.
Is our
ability to recognize family resemblance based on mentally breaking down the
faces into identical features and differential features? Surely not.
Isn’t
family resemblance something we take in at a glance? We instantly recognize the
kinship. We don’t go through a process of abstraction to separate the identical
features from the differential features.
Rather,
we see each face as a whole. Indeed, that’s what makes it a face. The unified
composition of all the different features.
Pattern
recognition, by which we discern similarities and dissimilarities, seems to be
based, not on isolating points of identity, but registering commonalities
within a statistical spread.
Same
thing if a teenager describes a girl to his friend. “She has long curly red
hair, green eyes, and creamy skin.”
That’s a
fairly vague description. Still, when his friend sees the girl, he can tell
that she matches the description. He can recognize her from the description.
The comparison is inexact, but so what? As long as the comparison is
sufficiently accurate to successfully refer to the girl in question, it doesn’t
need to be more exacting.
xii)
Apropos (xi), we need to resist the temptation to concoct a religious
epistemology based on how we’d like the world to be. We need to accept reality
on its own terms. Accept the world as it comes to us from God’s hand. Our
theory of analogy or analogical predication should takes its cue the nature of
the world God has made for us and put us in, rather than dictating to the world
what it must be like, or concocting an aprioristic theory which we use as a
cookie-cutter to impose its outline on the world.
The
sensible world is a fractal world with ragged boundaries in space and time.
Where patterns bleed into another patterns. A world of shared surfaces. A world
where comparisons come down to degrees of similarity and dissimilarity rather
than sharp-edged identity and alterity.
That’s
why Plato retreated into an abstract world of perfect circles and
mathematically straight lines. Sharp borders and discrete surfaces. But
Platonism isn’t the word of God or the world of God.
Most of what we know about the world is analogical. Human language is analogical. It doesn’t suddenly become analogical when we apply it to God. It’s already analogical when we apply it to the world.
ReplyDeleteSteve, I think Scripturalists don't appreciate just how true your statement is. You delve into that issue more in depth in the beginning of your "Why I Believe" Part II. I highly recommend it.
BTW, if you don't already know, the links to your materials at Triapologia are all dead. So, no one can access "Love the Lord with Heart and Mind", "Musica Mundana", "Sola Ecclesia: A Rejoinder to Philip Blosser", and "This Joyful Eastertide."
DeleteThanks for this response Steve. Am I right then in understanding that you would view the economic and the immanent Trinity as analogically related in one massive analogy- with points of analogy and points of disanalogy, in the same way that God’s revelation of himself as the man wrestling with Jacob is an analogy, with points of analogy and of disanalogy? And that thus we could represent characteristics of the economic Trinity and the immanent Trinity like a Venn diagram, for example, with (say) the incarnation of the Son in the only economic side, but with (say) love in the overlap?
ReplyDeleteAnd to discern which characteristics go where we would use the context of a passage and what we know about God from elsewhere in the Bible, plus our mundane understandings as far as they go in this matter- is that about right? In the same way we would work out whether a passage is talking about literal eyes or arms or whether the analogy lies elsewhere?
There is just one thing that is eluding a simple classification for me, and perhaps I should just go away and put my nose in a Bible, but the issue is one which has seen much digital ink spilt on this blog recently, that of subordination. In the economic Trinity we see subordination- Christ does only what the Father shows Him, for example, and comes to do His Father’s will. If I have correctly understood your view of the Trinity in your writing on the matter, I suppose you would understand these passages as not having an analogue in the immanent Trinity, which is egalitarian- is that correct? On the other side would be Nicene subordinationists, but also perhaps those who would take a similar view to you on the Trinity (no derivation of essence) but would believe in some sort of “Eternal Functional Subordination” of the sort advocated by some evangelical anthropological complementarians as an analogy to demonstrate that there can be subordination/submission/hierarchy without implying an ontological inferiority. What leads you to your conclusion on that, or if that’s too much material, what kind of evidence, could you give an example? Thanks for your help on this again.
Thomas Keningley
ReplyDelete“Thanks for this response Steve. Am I right then in understanding that you would view the economic and the immanent Trinity as analogically related in one massive analogy- with points of analogy and points of disanalogy, in the same way that God’s revelation of himself as the man wrestling with Jacob is an analogy, with points of analogy and of disanalogy? And that thus we could represent characteristics of the economic Trinity and the immanent Trinity like a Venn diagram, for example, with (say) the incarnation of the Son in the only economic side, but with (say) love in the overlap?”
I suppose you could put it that way.
“And to discern which characteristics go where we would use the context of a passage and what we know about God from elsewhere in the Bible, plus our mundane understandings as far as they go in this matter- is that about right? In the same way we would work out whether a passage is talking about literal eyes or arms or whether the analogy lies elsewhere?”
Correct, although we don’t have to do it all from scratch, for NT writers themselves often highlight the relevant aspects of the analogy.
“If I have correctly understood your view of the Trinity in your writing on the matter, I suppose you would understand these passages as not having an analogue in the immanent Trinity, which is egalitarian- is that correct?”
That overstates the contrast. It’s not simply a case where statements about the Incarnate Son are subordinationist, whereas the immanent Trinity is egalitarian. For the NT contains egalitarian statements about the Incarnate Son (e.g. Jn 3:31; 5:18,22-23; 1 Cor 8:6; Phil 2:6). Subordinationist statements alternate with egalitarian statements.
“What leads you to your conclusion on that, or if that’s too much material, what kind of evidence, could you give an example?”
I’ve discussed my position at length in response to Dale Tuggy, as well as posts on Sam Waldron and Andreas Köstenberger (to name a few).