tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8549337311607525606..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Does God desire whatever he commands?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-69166017788760014872009-09-02T11:14:59.529-04:002009-09-02T11:14:59.529-04:00I must consider that God is not less complex than ...I must consider that God is not less complex than I. For if I desire the healing for some disease, I must tolerate the cure, which is unpleasant and I rather do not desire. How much more would God command means that He must tolerate but not necessarily desire in order to achieve results of a far greater value that he chiefly desires? If God is in any way monolithic in his will, does that negate the need for evaluation of purposes in his interaction with his creation? To presume some undo simplicity with regard to the nature of God is an error both Muslims and Arminians make.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45030854130262842782009-08-22T18:45:28.887-04:002009-08-22T18:45:28.887-04:00It’s not wise to use Wesley's exegesis, he was...It’s not wise to use Wesley's exegesis, he was not very good or sound in that department.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02362366468793301910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84906926201000202982009-08-22T11:13:06.516-04:002009-08-22T11:13:06.516-04:00GODISMYJUDGE SAID:
"As for Ezekiel 18, I thi...GODISMYJUDGE SAID:<br /><br />"As for Ezekiel 18, I think it's taking about eternal death, not death of the body only."<br /><br />That won't fly. As the standard commentaries (Allen, Block, Duguid) point out, Ezk 18 is alluding to Deut 24:16, which has reference to capital punishment.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46114739777365961012009-08-21T18:22:30.984-04:002009-08-21T18:22:30.984-04:00Dear Steve,
There's a difference between what...Dear Steve,<br /><br />There's a difference between what God has commanded me to do and what God has commanded others to do to me. God doesn't want me to do something worthy of the death penalty, but He does want that state to put me to death if I do so. <br /><br />As for Ezekiel 18, I think it's taking about eternal death, not death of the body only. Here's what Wesley had to say about it:<br /><br />That the death here mentioned is eternal death, appears from the<br />twenty-sixth verse: “When a righteous man turneth away from his<br />righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them,” — here is<br />temporal death; “for his iniquity that he hath done he shall die.” Here is<br />death eternal.<br />If you assert, “Both these expressions signify the same thing, and not two<br />different deaths,” you put a palpable force upon the text, in order to make<br />the Holy Ghost speak nonsense.<br />“‘Dying in his iniquity,’” you say, “is the same thing as ‘dying for his<br />iniquity.’” Then the text means thus: “When he dieth in them, he shall die<br />in them.” A very deep discovery!<br />But you say, “It cannot be understood of eternal death; because they<br />might be delivered from it by repentance and reformation.” And why<br />might they not by such repentance as is mentioned in the thirty-first verse<br />be delivered from eternal death?<br />“But the whole chapter,” you think, “has nothing to do with the spiritual<br />and eternal affairs of men.”<br />I believe every impartial man will think quite the contrary, if he reads<br />calmly either the beginning of it, — “All souls are mine, saith the Lord<br />God; the soul that sinneth, it shall die;” where I can by no means allow<br />that by the death of the soul is meant only a temporal affliction; or the<br />conclusion, — “Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions;<br />so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have whereby ye have transgressed, and make you a new heart,<br />and a new spirit: For why will ye die, O house of Israel?”<br /><br />http://evangelicalarminians.org/files/Wesley.%20PREDESTINATION%20CALMLY%20CONSIDERED.pdf<br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.com