tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8532685527389250167..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Is Christianity a bookish faith?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-76264605896229788802016-09-07T01:41:02.339-04:002016-09-07T01:41:02.339-04:00"What about referring to Holy Tradition in th..."What about referring to Holy Tradition in the apostolic church to help the christian college freshman survive the assault by Prof. Bad Wolf? What about referring to the liturgy of the apostolic church, handed down to us, by those who steadfastly continued in the saying of the prayers and the breaking of the bread (acts 2,42)?"<br /><br />A professor who turns his guns on Scripture can turn the same guns on tradition. If he impugns the authority of Scripture, he can impugn the authority of tradition. It's not as if Scripture is dubitable but tradition is indubitable. <br /><br />"If we have no faith in the church which gave us the scriptures, then how can we have faith in those scriptures which they handed down?"<br /><br />I've discussed the basis for the Protestant canon on many occasions. For starters, the Jews, not "the church," gave us the OT scriptures. <br /><br />It's unclear what you mean by "giving" the Scriptures. "The church" didn't produce the Scriptures. Rather, inspired individuals did that. Perhaps you simply mean a process of transmission. <br /><br />There's a distinction between treating some church fathers as historical witnesses to the NT canon, and treating them as authority figures. <br /><br />The Bible isn't a random pile of books, arbitrarily selected from a larger random pile of books. The canon of Scripture is mutually attesting through various lines of intertextuality.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32662162814544171052016-09-06T20:07:25.124-04:002016-09-06T20:07:25.124-04:00Patrick Constantine
"What about referring to...Patrick Constantine<br /><br />"What about referring to Holy Tradition in the apostolic church to help the christian college freshman survive the assault by Prof. Bad Wolf?"<br /><br />This assumes there's something "holy" about "tradition".<br /><br />"What about referring to the liturgy of the apostolic church, handed down to us, by those who steadfastly continued in the saying of the prayers and the breaking of the bread (acts 2,42)? which seems a lot to me like the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is celebrated every Divine Liturgy/Mass in the apostolic church (orthodox; catholic)?"<br /><br />This assumes we can trust "the apostolic church" which seems to be the Roman Catholic (or possibly an Eastern orthodox) church in your mind (e.g. when you say "Divine Liturgy/Mass"). <br /><br />"If we have no faith in the church which gave us the scriptures, then how can we have faith in those scriptures which they handed down?"<br /><br />This assumes "the church...gave us the scriptures". If by this you mean what Catholics or the EO mean, then that's highly contentious to say the least.<br /><br />More practically speaking, if the Christian college student is told to trust "holy tradition" and "the apostolic church," then how is that any different than if a Muslim is told to trust in Islam and Islamic tradition, a Mormon is told to trust the Mormon scriptures and community, etc.?rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84885990454817473342016-09-06T15:56:50.067-04:002016-09-06T15:56:50.067-04:00What about referring to Holy Tradition in the apos...What about referring to Holy Tradition in the apostolic church to help the christian college freshman survive the assault by Prof. Bad Wolf? What about referring to the liturgy of the apostolic church, handed down to us, by those who steadfastly continued in the saying of the prayers and the breaking of the bread (acts 2,42)? which seems a lot to me like the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is celebrated every Divine Liturgy/Mass in the apostolic church (orthodox; catholic)? If we have no faith in the church which gave us the scriptures, then how can we have faith in those scriptures which they handed down? By the way I like your blog - I linked to it somehow via Roger Pearse's page, or a page he linked to, which linked to another, which linked to you.Patrick Constantinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14171169921340396032noreply@blogger.com