tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8446419738339177031..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Baptizing Aliens And The Insufficiency Of ScriptureRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-9958307286477947942010-09-30T13:05:32.649-04:002010-09-30T13:05:32.649-04:00The Infallible Interpreter possesses a "Livin...<i>The Infallible Interpreter possesses a "Living Tradition" which is fixed.<br /><br />If you know what I mean.</i><br /><br />Steve Hays has used the metaphor of a chess player getting to re-arrange the position before moving; that way they always get to change the position on the board to suit their needs of the moment.<br /><br />DTK has called this "death by a thousand qualifications."John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-17949686534424976932010-09-30T11:26:07.817-04:002010-09-30T11:26:07.817-04:00"No salvation outside of the church" has...<i>"No salvation outside of the church" has similarly been re-worked.<br /><br />I was noticing too, this morning, the "precepts of the church," which were requirements for such things as fasting and attendance at mass and reception of the sacraments of communion and confession have been significantly relaxed too, although these were some of the "works" that were an integral part of the "sacramental treadmill" codified by Trent."</i><br /><br />The Infallible Interpreter possesses a "Living Tradition" which is fixed.<br /><br />If you know what I mean.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80921364363134467542010-09-30T09:30:09.132-04:002010-09-30T09:30:09.132-04:00Do you have supporting links or documentation show...<i>Do you have supporting links or documentation showing the Magisterium's recalibration from what it was then to what it is now?</i><br /><br />Not on the Gallileo affair. But it's clear they were adamant about their own opinion, which was later completely recanted. <br /><br />But there are several instances in more modern areas. The first is the papacy. Consider the statement of Vatican I. Speaking of Peter's "of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our lord Jesus Christ himself," they went on to speak about the "permanence of the primacy of Peter in the Roman pontiffs:<br /><br /><i>… for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church … whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church … </i><br /><br />This doesn't leave much room for doubt that the earliest "popes" -- no doubt they had Clement in view -- had literal command over the whole church. <br /><br />http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#Chapter%201%20On%20the%20institution%20of%20the%20apostolic%20primacy%20in%20blessed%20Peter<br /><br />Then consider this:<br /><br /><b>In the history of the Church, there is a continuity of doctrinal development on the primacy … The Second Vatican Council, in turn, reaffirmed and completed the teaching of Vatican I, addressing primarily the theme of its purpose, with particular attention to the mystery of the Church as Corpus Ecclesiarum. This consideration allowed for a clearer exposition of how the primatial office of the Bishop of Rome and the office of the other Bishops are not in opposition but in fundamental and essential harmony.<br /><br />Therefore, "when the Catholic Church affirms that the office of the Bishop of Rome corresponds to the will of Christ, she does not separate this office from the mission entrusted to the whole body of Bishops, who are also 'vicars and ambassadors of Christ' (Lumen gentium, n. 27). The Bishop of Rome is a member of the 'College', and the Bishops are his brothers in the ministry". It should also be said, reciprocally, that episcopal collegiality does not stand in opposition to the personal exercise of the primacy nor should it relativize it.</b> <br /><br />http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFPRIMA.HTM <br /><br />This is an official document, written and issued by Ratzinger.<br /><br /><br />"No salvation outside of the church" has similarly been re-worked.<br /><br />I was noticing too, this morning, the "precepts of the church," which were requirements for such things as fasting and attendance at mass and reception of the sacraments of communion and confession have been significantly relaxed too, although these were some of the "works" that were an integral part of the "sacramental treadmill" codified by Trent.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5895123504289817152010-09-29T20:04:57.938-04:002010-09-29T20:04:57.938-04:00"It was at this point that they recalibrated ...<i>"It was at this point that they recalibrated their theory of infallibility from what it had been ("faith, morals, and science") to what it is currently, "faith and morals."</i><br /><br />Hi John,<br /><br />Do you have supporting links or documentation showing the Magisterium's recalibration from what it was then to what it is now?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40873020305417086402010-09-29T18:39:27.366-04:002010-09-29T18:39:27.366-04:00Truth Unites ... : I thought the Magisterium was i...Truth Unites ... : <i>I thought the Magisterium was infallible. If the Magisterium back in the day declared that Galileo was a heretic for being a heliocentrist, then for Pope JPII to declare that the Church was wrong for doing that...<br /><br />then isn't that a prima facie admission that the Magisterium is NOT infallible?</i><br /><br />As you are aware, the gang from Rome has always thought highly of itself.<br /><br />It was at this point that they recalibrated their theory of infallibility from what it had been ("faith, morals, and science") to what it is currently, "faith and morals." <br /><br />Sometimes circumstances just force them to scale back their grand claims. This was one of them. I believe the historical studies of the early papacy will be another.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15226415631373000872010-09-29T12:03:15.736-04:002010-09-29T12:03:15.736-04:00"The pope's astronomer said the Vatican w..."<i>The pope's astronomer said the Vatican was keen on science and admitted that the church had got it "spectacularly wrong" over its treatment of the 17th century astronomer Galileo Galilei. Galileo confirmed that the Earth went around the sun – and not the other way around – and was charged with heresy in 1633. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest in Tuscany. Only in 1992 did Pope John Paul admit that the church's treatment of Galileo had been a mistake.</i>"<br /><br />Wait a minute. <br /><br />I thought the Magisterium was infallible. If the Magisterium back in the day declared that Galileo was a heretic for being a heliocentrist, then for Pope JPII to declare that the Church was wrong for doing that...<br /><br />then isn't that a prima facie admission that the Magisterium is NOT infallible?<br /><br />An admission made by the Pope, no less!<br /><br />What's the weasel explanation that woulb be given by Catholics to explain away this dilemma of theirs?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46610268498086472302010-09-29T11:58:17.805-04:002010-09-29T11:58:17.805-04:00"The Pontifical Academy of Sciences, of which...<i>"The Pontifical Academy of Sciences, of which Stephen Hawking is a member, keeps the senior cardinals and the pope up-to-date with the latest scientific developments. Responding to Hawking's recent comments that the laws of physics removed the need for God, Consolmagno said: "Steven Hawking is a brilliant physicist and when it comes to theology I can say he's a brilliant physicist."</i><br /><br />I thought that was even funnier than the idea of baptizing an alien.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86652313421026090572010-09-29T09:25:08.798-04:002010-09-29T09:25:08.798-04:00[Rev 17:1-6]<b>[Rev 17:1-6]</b>ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-63109917122164239532010-09-29T08:37:19.631-04:002010-09-29T08:37:19.631-04:00Some time ago there were some articles out about s...Some time ago there were some articles out about some Roman Catholic ethicist talking about the need to baptize chimpanzees. More of the same.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-36216077878373957652010-09-29T08:05:46.386-04:002010-09-29T08:05:46.386-04:00So this guy would be happy if "intelligent&qu...So this guy would be happy if "intelligent" life were to be found in space, and that "intelligence" is basic attribute of the soul, but intelligent design is a problem?<br /><br />(Palm-to-Face).....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886466920501606128noreply@blogger.com