tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8364157503129813344..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Global warming is real!Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2247791889545057932010-07-15T16:06:23.710-04:002010-07-15T16:06:23.710-04:00Yeah I'd seen an article that explained the re...Yeah I'd seen an article that explained the reason why the global warming was real and which are its causes( for example the excessive pollution, the dams, scientific experiments)and I remember that because it was the first time I bought <a href="http://www.safemeds.com/viagra/online.html" rel="nofollow">viagra online</a> , so we have to wake up, and make something to stop it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11496156893089238267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31210944660054408332009-01-16T10:50:00.000-05:002009-01-16T10:50:00.000-05:00JD states,And while we're playing the bulverizing ...JD states,<BR/><BR/><I>And while we're playing the bulverizing game, one might ask why global warming skepticism so often comes from scientists affiliated with business-friendly and business-funded think-tanks. Clearly they do not like the idea of greater environmental controls which would chip away at their profits. If environmentalism is the religion of nature-reverence, global warming skepticism reflects the creed of the ruthless capitalist: growth, growth and more growth, whatever the social and environmental consequences of this growth are.</I><BR/><BR/>Two can play at that game:<BR/><BR/>http://mises.org/story/2571Red Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126230836580816821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-538275418393258062009-01-16T09:46:00.000-05:002009-01-16T09:46:00.000-05:00JD,I will stipulate (temporarily) that all of what...JD,<BR/><BR/>I will stipulate (temporarily) that all of what you cite is accurate.<BR/><BR/>What is the "average temperature" of the Earth supposed to be? How is it measured? And what specific reductions must be made over what time period to achieve the "desired" results?<BR/><BR/>As far as financially self-serving scientific interest is concerned, why is it that so many scientists that rely on grants and other monies contributed by ideologically driven constituencies come down on the side of AGW?EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65471976142823286592009-01-16T00:40:00.000-05:002009-01-16T00:40:00.000-05:00Steve and EAGW arguments are not ad hoc. There is ...Steve and EA<BR/><BR/>GW arguments are not ad hoc. There is a very good reason why on a warming planet we should experience temperature extremes, the one that I linked to. This is not the same as just arbitrarily deciding that all evidence of climate trends is evidence of warming. GW is based on the following scientific facts:<BR/><BR/>1) Concentration of certain gases in the atmosphere has a 'greenhouse effect' on the climate patterns of the planet by absorbing infrared radiation that would otherwise be reflected back out into space and reflecting it back down to the surface.<BR/><BR/>2) Human industrial activity is responsible for greatly elevating the concentration of these gases in the atmosphere (not just CO2 but also CH4, NOx, etc.) because we are emitting these gases at rates greater than natural 'recycling' programs (such as photosynthesis and nitrogen activation) can compensate for.<BR/><BR/>3) The reflected infrared radiation trapped by these gases is changing climate patterns that sustain the biosphere we take for granted: hurricanes are becoming more extreme, droughts are plaguing greater and greater portions of the temperate regions, ocean acidity is increasing, sea levels are rising...the list goes on and on. In some ways the projected average global temperature increase is just a symptom, the tip of the iceberg if you will of all these climate changes which we should be worried about.<BR/><BR/>4) Natural mechanisms of climate change cannot account for the rapid changes that started occurring just as the industrial revolution gathered steam, except in an ironic way: it is by mimicking and amplifying natural processes for releasing greenhouse gases that we are changing the Earth's climate.<BR/><BR/>I read the links you provided. Their obsession with keeping CO2 from being branded a pollutant is amusing and entirely misconstrues the reason why CO2 emissions should be contained. It's not a pollutant in the sense that if you breathe air with it you get sick or die like carbon monoxide, but it is a pollutant when too high concentrations of it in the atmosphere (together with methane, nitrous oxides and other gases which most global warming skeptics ignore, even though methane is 20 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2 and NOx more powerful still). Oh, and as for the greater role played by water vapor in the greenhouse effect: we're contributing to its increase too with the vapors from cooling towers.<BR/><BR/>http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/greenhouse/Chapter1.htm<BR/>http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/greenhouse-gases/<BR/><BR/>And while we're playing the bulverizing game, one might ask why global warming skepticism so often comes from scientists affiliated with business-friendly and business-funded think-tanks. Clearly they do not like the idea of greater environmental controls which would chip away at their profits. If environmentalism is the religion of nature-reverence, global warming skepticism reflects the creed of the ruthless capitalist: growth, growth and more growth, whatever the social and environmental consequences of this growth are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-39720487379726603342009-01-15T21:11:00.000-05:002009-01-15T21:11:00.000-05:00GW advocates employ a 'heads we win, tails you los...GW advocates employ a 'heads we win, tails you lose' form of argumentation. Warmer than average? Ah ha, see? Proof of GW. Colder than average? That's proof of GW.<BR/><BR/>There's no evidence that can be presented that will disprove GW to those that believe. They have their own religion.EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-48748908310985226662009-01-15T20:21:00.000-05:002009-01-15T20:21:00.000-05:00http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9875http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9875stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1491549273578325162009-01-15T20:08:00.000-05:002009-01-15T20:08:00.000-05:00Here's another classic article on the subject:http...Here's another classic article on the subject:<BR/><BR/>http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.htmlstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28131316379305374872009-01-15T20:05:00.000-05:002009-01-15T20:05:00.000-05:00RLE,For the ulterior motives of the global warming...RLE,<BR/><BR/>For the ulterior motives of the global warming lobby, here's a place to start:<BR/><BR/>http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environmentalismaseligion.htmlstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-4036233418352086232009-01-15T19:46:00.000-05:002009-01-15T19:46:00.000-05:00What exactly is at stake in this whole debate?I am...What exactly is at stake in this whole debate?<BR/><BR/>I am currnetly starting a class on Enviormental Biology and am interested to know why my professor pushes this whole global warming agenda......Hoyt Mathewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138254059628731604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45920485972436977432009-01-15T18:43:00.000-05:002009-01-15T18:43:00.000-05:00BTW. of JD wants to get into an argument over glob...BTW. of JD wants to get into an argument over global warming, he should debate Josh Strodtbeck:<BR/><BR/>http://metalutheran.blogspot.com/search?q=global+warmingstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80383778859351298292009-01-15T16:52:00.000-05:002009-01-15T16:52:00.000-05:00http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597h...http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597<BR/><BR/>http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/pages/the-deniers.aspx<BR/><BR/>http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport<BR/><BR/>http://www.uncommondescent.com/category/global-warming/stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29350974658480964062009-01-15T16:13:00.000-05:002009-01-15T16:13:00.000-05:00Steve,Clearly, it's all evidence of the coming ice...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Clearly, it's all evidence of the coming ice age!Kyjohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02576699017770933239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24712471721442252892009-01-15T15:46:00.000-05:002009-01-15T15:46:00.000-05:00There's never been a theory with more empirical ev...There's never been a theory with more empirical evidence than global warming. If the globe is warming, that's evidence of global warming, and if the globe is cooling, that's also evidence of global warming. If we have record highs, that's evidence of global warming, and if we have record lows, that's also evidence of global warming. What more could you want?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13230053164926921772009-01-15T15:36:00.001-05:002009-01-15T15:36:00.001-05:00JD said:---GW predicts an increase in the average ...JD said:<BR/>---<BR/>GW predicts an increase in the average global temperature.<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Which, <A HREF="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2008/10/case-for-global-warming-skepticism.html" REL="nofollow">for reasons I've pointed out</A>, is impossible to determine.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15582349206782829252009-01-15T15:36:00.000-05:002009-01-15T15:36:00.000-05:00Yes, JD, I'm aware of that explanation. But I want...Yes, JD, I'm aware of that explanation. But I wanted to draw attention to your comic timing. <BR/><BR/>And it's not as if there's not another side to the argument.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51335606297694103132009-01-15T15:13:00.001-05:002009-01-15T15:13:00.001-05:00This is a common misunderstanding of the global wa...This is a common misunderstanding of the global warming phenomenon. GW predicts an increase in the average global temperature. The theory does not say we should expect balmy tropical winters. In fact, GW predicts increasingly extreme weather, overall trending towards higher temperatures but locally and in the short term extremes both toward hot and cold as a result of disruptions in large-scale climate patterns like oceanic currents and precipitation cycles:<BR/><BR/>http://www.edf.org/documents/4418_MythsvFacts_05.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-78778388555145761072009-01-15T15:13:00.000-05:002009-01-15T15:13:00.000-05:00The Polar Bears are freeezing to death. We had bet...The Polar Bears are freeezing to death. <BR/>We had better get up there with some butane heaters; the ones the football players have on the sidelines would be nice.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54632819491348060372009-01-15T13:46:00.000-05:002009-01-15T13:46:00.000-05:00It probably all balances out; it's probably extra ...It probably all balances out; it's probably extra warm in the southern hemisphere or something.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29766297789588800922009-01-15T12:52:00.000-05:002009-01-15T12:52:00.000-05:00Imagine how cold it would have been without SUVs f...Imagine how cold it would have been without SUVs for that past decade.<BR/><BR/>On the plus side, Colorado Springs is currently sitting at a toasty 36 degrees.<BR/><BR/>I blame Bush.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.com