tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8137035898627703535..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: John Murray on “traditions”: “We should not be dupes of Rome …”Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40977202750141658052015-02-09T14:42:27.219-05:002015-02-09T14:42:27.219-05:00The thing I observe is that we are plagued with fo...The thing I observe is that we are plagued with forms of non-Roman neo-traditionalism today. A couple of examples might be KJOism or the so-called worship wars. That's something that I notice about younger Reformed theologians today. They (we) are sometimes charged with coming up with something new because they don't hold all the traditional lines of Calvinism. I think the argument is meant to trade against the observation that original Protestant theology is explicitly Reformed. The thing is that much of Reformed theology remains unchanged. The areas where it has been refined is evidence that younger Reformed theologians haven't simply followed the tradition, but have appropriated the theology through careful thought and study anew. Interestingly, in the SBC the non-Reformed theologians like to call themselves "traditionalists".Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25161392833519696452015-02-07T12:28:23.068-05:002015-02-07T12:28:23.068-05:00What did Cullman, Torrance, et al. say about the c...What did Cullman, Torrance, et al. say about the church fathers and this abyss?Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511008932132026210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-81520704359868359652015-02-07T11:58:39.807-05:002015-02-07T11:58:39.807-05:00Ted, the word "kathoulou" does not do wh...Ted, the word "kathoulou" does not do what you want it to do in Acts 4:18. Bock notes that there, "the leaders ... command them not to speak or teach at all..." The phrase "at all" ("kathoulou") "strengthens the negation" -- it is a simple modifier that is being used to amplify the opposite effect from what you are suggesting. <br /><br />The fact is that we don't have to stretch the biblical record the way you are doing in order to try to superimpose a concept ("catholic") where it does not exist. <br /><br />You may or may not be correct in the usage of the word in the Apostolic fathers and the second century writers. The church was formed along much more geographical lines then than it is now. Jerusalem was cognizant of being Jerusalem, Antioch was cognizant of being Antioch, Alexandria was cognizant of being Alexandria.And of course, Rome became cognizant of being Rome, and that's where we have a significant amount of mischief beginning. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54811200930909294682015-02-07T10:08:00.247-05:002015-02-07T10:08:00.247-05:00Hi John,
Thanks for continuing your posting. Just...Hi John,<br /><br />Thanks for continuing your posting. Just a comment or two for you. if I may.<br /><br />I agree with what you say, about the futility of chasing down the "catholic." At least, in the sense of expecting a contiguous tradition from the apostolic through into subsequent history. That quote out of Allen and Swain is well put, is it not?!<br /><br />But may i offer that there is indeed a loving way to pursue to the catholic? Let's start with this common misperception. You wrote about the catholic that "It certainly is not a New Testament word..." but have you considered Acts 4:18?<br /><br />You also write, "it was a useful concept, helping to unite a geographically disparate group of churches." I'd suggest that too is an historic canard and actually plays into a Roman Catholic reading of things.<br /><br />As i show in my article, the word catholic was hardly used at all among the Apostolic Fathers, and when they did use it, it referred to all the genuine believers in a city in one and the same ecclesia, as opposed to those schismed in other churches in the same city.<br /><br />http://www.churchsonefoundation.com/the-importance-of-being-catholic/<br /><br />Blessings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05323613617701622125noreply@blogger.com