tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post778568896021108470..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Upstart LutheranRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-6359463895486552252012-11-30T15:19:55.424-05:002012-11-30T15:19:55.424-05:00Interesting that Lutherans make such a big thing o...Interesting that Lutherans make such a big thing out of assurance. Even moreso in that it seems their system provides no better assurance than anyone elses when it comes to eternal life. Since they believe one can lose their salvation, their assurance can never be more sure than their faith in themselves to persevere. On the other hand, my hope is in God alone from start to finish. I trust that He will preserve me. If I believed my perseverance was ultimately up to me, as it seems is the case in the Lutheran system, I would have considerably less assurance than I have now.The Janitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12591757439983957057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-52087350356551294202010-02-08T18:22:17.838-05:002010-02-08T18:22:17.838-05:00I think you're missing the essence of Ed's...I think you're missing the essence of Ed's remarks, and that is 'thinking one is elect doesn't make one elect'. The problem the Calvinist system is in is that one must start off assuming they are elect, but an assumption cannot mesh with the infallible Assurance that Calvinists champion against others. <br /><br />What is worse is that Calvin taught God causes some non-elect to think and act elect. <br /><br />So you're left with no objective measuring stick; examining your fruits, faith, profession, etc, etc, are purely subjective. <br /><br />If you're non-elect, you're forever unregenerate, and thus even if you *THINK* you believe in Jesus alone for your Salvation, you don't really have true faith in Christ. <br /><br />A few years ago when I was considering becoming Reformed, this issue played a key role in keeping me away.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84217315636792635392010-02-04T13:17:26.236-05:002010-02-04T13:17:26.236-05:00"....Why do Lutherans like Reiss think it’s p..."....Why do Lutherans like Reiss think it’s permissible to chronically lie about a position they disagree with? Is mendacity a moral imperative in Lutheran ethics?...".<br /><br />One of the first things the prosecutors and defense do when they have their voice heard is to undermine the opponent's case by establishing the premise that the evidence you the juror are to believe is the truth is false instead.<br /><br />I believe, with those words above as my citation in this thread, are true words.<br /><br />Therefore, from now on, whenever I read anything by Ed, I am mindful of that fact.<br /><br />You have proved he lies about the Calvinist's position.<br /><br />Once the Defender can prove the prosecution's evidence is premised in a lie, subtle or bold, he can win his case by simply building a case on that mount.<br /><br />On the other hand, the judge must be in play at all times. He rules to sustain or overrule the objection.<br /><br />It is not his place to determine what is a lie or not. Most likely, if he's good, he already knows the truth. Knowing the truth doesn't mean the case is won for the defense. The guilty person goes free based on the jury not the Judge.<br /><br />As a juror sitting in the deliberation room, it is my vote we convict!<br /><br />Now, when we are dealing with matters of the human soul and their justification or God's them, we see things a bit more differently. We have all failed the Truth test. None of us has any standing in the Court presided by the Three Judge Panel. Each case has already been decided.<br /><br />It is a "Three" Judge Panel, Who decide the matter, each with a particular discipline in the case for and against each human soul.<br /><br />The Bible is clear on this point:<br /><br />Joh 16:1 "I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. <br />Joh 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. <br />Joh 16:3 And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. <br />Joh 16:4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you. "I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you. <br />Joh 16:5 But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' <br />Joh 16:6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. <br />Joh 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. <br />Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: <br />Joh 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; <br />Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com