tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6908504374397580171..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Is AHA an organization?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-39403751948326376452015-06-22T15:39:34.174-04:002015-06-22T15:39:34.174-04:00There were a couple of other problems with his pos...There were a couple of other problems with his post as well:<br /><br />i) Once again, he trots out the "fatalist" illustration. Problem is, I already explained to him why that illustration fails. But he offers no counterargument to my response. He simply repeats his original illustration. That's intellectually dishonest. It fails to acknowledge the fact that I replied to his illustration, and it fails to interact with my response.<br /><br />ii) In addition, it's not as if AHA feels duty-bound to describe a group or movement the way it describes itself. When, for instance, abortionists resort to euphemisms like "a woman's choice" or "reproductive rights," AHA doesn't hesitate to disregard that self-characterization. AHA labels abortion organizations according to AHA's perception, and not how the organizations describe themselves. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20230894246251845072015-06-22T11:15:18.068-04:002015-06-22T11:15:18.068-04:00I'd assumed from the beginning that you were r...I'd assumed from the beginning that you were referring to Alan, of course, so it came as little surprise to me when he admitted to such on his blog last week. What amazes me, though, is that Alan has posted what he claims to be the entire email exchange between the two of you, apparently under the delusion that it somehow exonerates him of the charges you've repeatedly leveled against him. Needless to say, it doesn't come CLOSE to doing that at all, of course, and only showcases the sort of preening and posturing we've come to expect from him on this issue. That Alan can be so willfully blind to how he conducts himself in this discussion is astonishing.LanternBrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727003028902907286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44447115287635411442015-06-15T12:16:56.614-04:002015-06-15T12:16:56.614-04:00This raises an interesting dilemma for AHA. If th...This raises an interesting dilemma for AHA. If they are not a group or organization, but merely a loose coalition of individuals who form "societies" around some set of (presumably) core ideals or ideology, then who's to say of what those ideals or ideologies consist?<br /><br />If no one is "in charge", then everyone is "in charge". In this case, why couldn't Klusendorf, Stanek, Wilcox, or Hays simply take up the mantle and declare themselves to be the "true abolitionists"?<br /><br />How do they guard against heresy within their ranks, keep folks towing the line, holding to orthodoxy, prevent wolves from entering in?<br /><br />CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-48723481514994390762015-06-13T15:43:49.326-04:002015-06-13T15:43:49.326-04:00There's a cultic quality about this obsession ...There's a cultic quality about this obsession with "AHA is not a group!" It's so irrational.<br /><br />I don't know why they're so defensive about people calling them an "organization" or even a "group." They act as if that's a pejorative characterization, yet it's vanilla gray terminology. "Group" and "organization" have no pejorative connotations. These are morally neutral descriptors. <br /><br />i) The best explanation I can think of is plausible deniability. By disclaiming that AHA is an "organization" or "group" which people can join or belong to, perhaps they hope that if an abolitionist gets caught doing something illegal, they can say that doesn't reflect on AHA inasmuch one can't belong to AHA in the first place. It's not a group or organization. It's just an "ideology." <br /><br />ii) However, this may also reflect the mindset of sects and cults which have eccentric beliefs and practices to demarcate their adherents from other groups. Even if, or especially if, the beliefs and practices are ridiculous, that unmistakably differentiates the in-group from the out-groups. They defend these eccentric beliefs and practices with fanatical devotion, because their identity is wedded to these boundary markers. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-9430218244423344882015-06-13T10:04:06.934-04:002015-06-13T10:04:06.934-04:00The claim is also absurd on its face as it runs co...The claim is also absurd on its face as it runs counter to all the (overwhelming!) evidence that AHA evinces a very strong "in-group / out-group" mentality in both speech and in writing.<br /><br />AHA's proponents' rhetoric drips with contempt for its ideological foes both within the pro-abortion and pro-life spheres. CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-52576500954279981142015-06-12T23:56:41.611-04:002015-06-12T23:56:41.611-04:00I got a lot of that from my correspondent as well....I got a lot of that from my correspondent as well. I simply left it out of what I posted. They all read from the same sanctimonious script. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46002477633344787402015-06-12T23:25:43.288-04:002015-06-12T23:25:43.288-04:00I'm glad you're dealing with them. My exch...I'm glad you're dealing with them. My exchanges with the non members of the non organization generally devolve into them calling me to repentance for "slander" and failure to "love". The self righteousness displayed by the average AHAer is staggering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84364892259838079732015-06-12T23:01:56.219-04:002015-06-12T23:01:56.219-04:00So AHA is the Borg.
Good job outing their Colle...So AHA is the Borg. <br /><br />Good job outing their Collective on terra firma, steve. Who'd have imagined Oklahoma? Very clever.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.com