tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6634502271489029480..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Paul MoserRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-85431435132428250902015-04-16T12:47:59.236-04:002015-04-16T12:47:59.236-04:00It's true that inerrancy can designate a famil...It's true that inerrancy can designate a family of positions. And it can devolve into the same complexities as hermeneutics. Consider different schools of hermeneutics. <br /><br />It's a question of starting points. Do we start with the principle of divine revelation. What are the dynamics of divine revelation? stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7704247705750256782015-04-16T10:53:49.232-04:002015-04-16T10:53:49.232-04:00Steve, I like the Chicago statement, though it has...Steve, I like the Chicago statement, though it has all the limitations that a statement will always have. However, I view inerrancy/infallibility as a stance or attitude toward scripture. It seems clear to me that we know an error when we see one, or an inconsistency. I may not be able to lay that out in every circumstance but in general it seems to be the case. So issues like phenomenological language in scripture are not a problem, as the Poythress article you posted pointed out, and anyone who uses those as evidence against an error free text is being dishonest IMHO. On the other hand issues of historical accuracy are based on trust. I see that the gospels to have a case for historical reliability and the Bible as a whole, where it can be "verified" by archeology and historical research (think the Mereneptah stele etc) is accurate. Anyother issue that may arise can be dealt with in a manner of trust. So, if there is not any evidence for a certain person in the bible, I can trust scripture because like a trusted friend I believe it is telling the truth. This isn't easy to put into a nice statement and deal with all the multiple issues that may arise, but I think it adequately gives us a stable basis for faith and life. <br /><br />I don't know... just my thoughts on the matter. I usually do not find critiques of inerrancy to be terribly helpful. The easiest way to show that scripture is not inerrant is to find one clear case of error. For me that would be a contradiction in the text, because historical proofs for an errant text would be subject to the tenability of historical research. However, when I look at the supposed contradictions people point to I am underwhelmed. As Moser showed through out the discussion his reasons for rejecting something like the doctrine are strained at best (appeal to evolution, appeal to a bad interpretation of matt 5, appeal to a hilarious understanding of 1 Corinthians 1:14, which wouldn't prove his case even if he had that right). <br /> <br />Do you think that inerrancy, is at best, a helpful name for a family of positions? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-73957557693105696722015-04-14T09:41:52.868-04:002015-04-14T09:41:52.868-04:00David Byron is now making Moser look out matched. ...David Byron is now making Moser look out matched. If arguments like Moser's is what we have to deal with, then ... wow. Nothing to worry about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57336628865697276992015-04-14T09:40:50.569-04:002015-04-14T09:40:50.569-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18161202535768708632015-04-14T06:47:32.512-04:002015-04-14T06:47:32.512-04:00Sometimes disagreement with the ideas and views of...Sometimes disagreement with the ideas and views of others brings out what may seem like iill-temperedness. It's an opportunity for grace.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-43065114485474396262015-04-13T23:35:36.430-04:002015-04-13T23:35:36.430-04:00Wow, Moser doesn't strike one as a pleasant pe...Wow, Moser doesn't strike one as a pleasant person, to say the very least! And Facebook is a very informal setting. He may be a well-published professor, but God forbid he's your advisor or you're one of his grad students! Again, to say the very least, Moser sounds like he could become very bad-tempered very fast.rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.com