tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6631425202910339267..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Praise & BlameRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-58248790511303669882008-02-12T10:35:00.000-05:002008-02-12T10:35:00.000-05:00Goosehenry,"Both guidance and regulative control s...Goosehenry,<BR/><BR/><I>"Both guidance and regulative control since whatever comes to pass has been decreed by God, right?"</I><BR/><BR/>I think you misunderstood. I was asking about what *conception* of *free will* we were using. A libertarian needs both guidance control and regulative control, coupled with PAPs, etc.<BR/><BR/>You said Clark said "free will" wasn't required to have moral responsibility. I wanted to know abou his/your conception.<BR/><BR/>Now, when you said God decrees everything, do you mean to say that we, as agents, do not have *any* control over our actions? Or, were you confused as to what I was talking about?<BR/><BR/><I>"Does this mean that under compatibilism then, knowledge of right and wrong is sufficient for accountability?"</I><BR/><BR/>I think we answered the question below...<BR/><BR/><I>"It seems that A would not be accountable if he was coerced by Harry Houdini, if Houdini made A:s muscles perform the act outside of A:s control."</I><BR/><BR/>Houdini didn't make the *muscles* perform the act. Houdini took control of the agent's A *mind*. Thus Houdini may have had *indirect* control over the A's muscles since he coerced to do his bidding. But, all the while, A knew this was wrong. The power of the hypnosis was too strong and so overrode any inclination A had to act on that knowledge (either by not robbing, or by telling someone about it, or, fill in the blank).<BR/><BR/>If the above is possible, then mere knowledge that P is wrong isn't sufficient to hold someone accountable. Also, if infants do not have knowledge, that doesn't mean that they are not accountable, right? So, infants are morally accountable before God, but not on account of their knowledge. So, it is false to say that "all that is required" to ascribe moral responsibility to an agent is "knowledge."Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55669153548891653952008-02-12T04:45:00.000-05:002008-02-12T04:45:00.000-05:00Paul*This first depends upon what we mean by free ...Paul<BR/><BR/>*This first depends upon what we mean by free will. Are we talking about both guidance and regulative control?*<BR/><BR/>Both guidance and regulative control since whatever comes to pass has been decreed by God, right? Does this mean that under compatibilism then, knowledge of right and wrong is sufficient for accountability?<BR/><BR/>It seems that A would not be accountable if he was coerced by Harry Houdini, if Houdini made A:s muscles perform the act outside of A:s control. <BR/><BR/>If A merely got an urge to do it (by means of hypnosis) yet knew it was wrong then i suppose A would be accountable.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't this equal the difference between determinism and compatibilism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-69429248591858632462008-02-11T19:22:00.000-05:002008-02-11T19:22:00.000-05:00goosehenry,This first depends upon what we mean by...goosehenry,<BR/><BR/>This first depends upon what we mean by free will. Are we talking about both guidance and regulative control? If just the former, I'd disagree. If both, I'd agree.<BR/><BR/>Second, you'd need to parse out exactly what he's saying. Say that there is an agent A, say that A steals money. Say that A has 'knowledge.' Say that A knows stealing is wrong. Say that A meets Harry Houdini who, by means of a moving watch, hypnotizes A to go into a bank and steal money. In a way this coerced A against his will. Nevertheless, A had knowledge that stealing was wrong. Why was A not accountable? Or was he?Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5964064400757059662008-02-11T01:39:00.000-05:002008-02-11T01:39:00.000-05:00PaulI browsed through Clarks "God&Evil" and accord...Paul<BR/><BR/>I browsed through Clarks "God&Evil" and according to him what is required for accountability is not free will but knowledge.<BR/><BR/>Is this a correct way of putting it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com