tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6108361926462226639..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Snared in his own netRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51136732525341660312011-09-28T21:08:43.510-04:002011-09-28T21:08:43.510-04:00"We are asking the question on the factual su...<i>"We are asking the question on the factual suppositions that Judas did not believe and that he was not died-for, how can God, for his part, make a sincere offer to Judas?"</i><br /><br />I've answered this a dozen times for Ponter and he hasn't dealt with any of my responses (as far as I can tell).<br /><br />Moreover, his evolving answers for what must be the case for God to be sincere have met with as-of-yet unanswered counterexamples. To take an easy example, Ponter sometimes says that the offerer must have the "provisions on hand." I've given counterexamples to this, thus showing it's not a necessary constraint. Another example is that the offerer has to be *able* to "give" what was offered, and I've provided counterexamples to this as well. I've done the same for all of his constantly evolving and ad hoc constraints.<br /><br />So here's the upshot: Ponter can't offer necessary and sufficient conditions for what counts as a sincere offer. Therefore, he cannot properly demarcate an insincere offer from a sincere one. His examples *may* be *sufficient,* but none have been *necessary.* This is a simple point of refutation and Ponter has as of yet to properly respond.<br /><br />Until he offers necessary conditions which rule out offers on special redemption premises, he logically *cannot* say that, necessarily, God isn't giving a sincere offer. Just because Ponter's provided a *sufficient* condition for a sincere offer doesn't mean he can therefore rule out other offers that don't meat his sufficient condition.<br /><br />It's sufficient to communicate that I adequately speak english, but it's not necessary *and* it doesn't mean that I haven't communicated if I've spoken in Spanish.<br /><br />Until Ponter meets this challenge, as well as the other one's we've provided, his posts are all totally unresponsive.Maul P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15227129983621069565noreply@blogger.com