tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post5814604844151466495..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: At the centerRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-215206526559488132013-01-23T19:07:01.693-05:002013-01-23T19:07:01.693-05:00Plus this claim is just wrong historically.
&quo...Plus this claim is just wrong historically. <br />"You know by astronomical computation that the whole circumference of the earth is no more than a pinpoint when contrasted to the space of the heavens; in fact, if the two are compared, the earth may be considered to have no size at all." <br />From Boethius (480-524 A.D.), Consolation of Philosophy, II.7<br />This work was one of the staples of education even up to Copernicus' own day. Other points from Boethius:<br />-the earth is farthest from heaven<br />-the earth is the only place where perfect divine order is not followed<br />-the earth is the only place where love does not rule all things<br /><br />More about this sort of thing can be found in Chapter V of C.S. Lewis' book The Discarded Image. The problem is that atheists or scientists who make this claim simply assume that "the center of the universe" is a value-term, not a simply cosmographical one. But, in fact, that cosmographical location conveyed an opposite value, a negative one, for the medieval mind.<br />Joshua W.D. Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03010415370862297504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10215366058147814522013-01-10T14:56:24.988-05:002013-01-10T14:56:24.988-05:00C.S. Lewis once remarked to the effect that it was...C.S. Lewis once remarked to the effect that it was only in the modern atheist's own mind that the littleness of man in a vast world/universe had suddenly become (in the age of rationalism) a "reason" to doubt God's existence.<br /><br />As a true master of vast swathes of ancient literature, Lewis--unlike most atheists--was in a position to actually know what ancients thought about the world/universe, and man's place in it.<br /><br />Moreover, the minds of the biblical authors are quite radical (with respect to other ancient cultures/authors) in rejecting an anthropocentric understanding of creation.<br /><br />E.g., Ps.8:3-4, "When I consider the heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have ordained; What is man that you are mindful of him? And the son of man that you visit him?"<br /><br />Job 7:17-18, "What is man, that you should exalt him, that you should set your heart on him, that you should visit him every morning, and test him every moment?"<br /><br />Ps.144:3-4, "Jehovah, what is man that you take knowledge of him? Or the son of man that you are mindful of him? Man is like a breath; his days like a passing shadow."<br /><br />Atheism's removal of man's subordinate status in a universe with no known superior, is the apotheosis of liberation, the elimination of every conceivable restraint on Man: the apex of naturalistic evolution in an amoral and indifferent cosmos.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05750404686325950389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90534398971866926652013-01-10T12:13:05.297-05:002013-01-10T12:13:05.297-05:00Great post. Thanks, Steve. :-)Great post. Thanks, Steve. :-)Patrick Chanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095377877712197984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19893039296429194392013-01-09T20:09:02.935-05:002013-01-09T20:09:02.935-05:00"Jesus Christ is the Center and Circumference..."Jesus Christ is the Center and Circumference of the Bible!" Martin Luther<br /><br />It would only be a demontion, to an atheist since he starts with autonomous man and works outward. The shear enormity of our universe should create in us a true humility as the Psalmist says:<br /><br />Where shall I go from your Spirit?<br /> Or where shall I flee from your presence?<br />If I ascend to heaven, you are there!<br /> If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!<br />If I take the wings of the morning<br /> and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,<br />even there your hand shall lead me,<br /> and your right hand shall hold me.<br />If I say, “Surely the darkness shall cover me,<br /> and the light about me be night,”<br />even the darkness is not dark to you;<br /> the night is bright as the day,<br /> for darkness is as light with you. (Ps 139:7-12).<br /><br />Only a rebel would supress what he knows to be true and exchange it for a mythology of Time X Chance => order!<br /><br />"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.<br /><br />This does not surprise the Believer since "By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible." (Hebrews 11:3)<br /><br />Finally, the early Church was not ashamed to counter the Classic Mythologies with a clear statement to the contrary!<br /><br />"I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth..."<br /><br />In the LambAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com