tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post5159452952265613634..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Brainless AtheismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68831665573845704602010-07-20T13:00:12.651-04:002010-07-20T13:00:12.651-04:00"Literally brainless" is not a problem f..."Literally brainless" is not a problem for a discarnate being. That's a specious problem if you illicitly transfer the figurative connotations of the idiom to an inapplicable object.<br /><br />You keep demonstrating my initial point that there's no correlation between infidelity and high IQ. It's very self-effacing of you and Babinski to make my point for me. I do appreciate your unwitting services to the Kingdom.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45167824733631637592010-07-20T12:50:17.743-04:002010-07-20T12:50:17.743-04:00But on your terms, Steve, I'm only figurativel...But on your terms, Steve, I'm only figuratively brainless, in your opinion. But your God is literally brainless. I know your concern is to throw around pejoratives, but there is a larger issue here you're trying to deflect. In that regard, you're right on cue.Jaguk Hemaphredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13674449602720408457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-21842642091336038062010-07-20T12:36:22.895-04:002010-07-20T12:36:22.895-04:00JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:
"At least, Steve, yo...JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:<br /><br />"At least, Steve, you seem now to concede that your God is brainless. That's a good start. You lampoon atheists for allegedly being figuratively brainless, while worshiping a literally brainless God. This apparently gets under your skin, otherwise why bother?"<br /><br />You keep repeating the same lame one-liner, which simply makes you look dense. But thanks for corroborating my post. A case one of brainless atheist (Hemaphredes) coming to the defense of another brainless atheist (Babinski). Very considerate of you to illustrate my thesis. Nothing like confirmation from the horse's mouth.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-49458219755980849852010-07-20T12:12:28.449-04:002010-07-20T12:12:28.449-04:00At least, Steve, you seem now to concede that your...At least, Steve, you seem now to concede that your God is brainless. That's a good start. You lampoon atheists for allegedly being figuratively brainless, while worshiping a literally brainless God. <br /><br />This apparently gets under your skin, otherwise why bother?Jaguk Hemaphredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13674449602720408457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50670177873143701802010-07-20T12:03:33.087-04:002010-07-20T12:03:33.087-04:00JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:
"It's not my pro...JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:<br /><br />"It's not my problem if your God is brainless, Steve."<br /><br />You're one of these people who never sounds dumber than when you try to be clever.<br /><br />To say X is brainless is only pejorative in a figurative sense.<br /><br />It's not pejorative to say the archangel Michael is literally brainless, since angels are discarnate beings with pure intellects.<br /><br />Likewise, if you were a physicalist, then the lack of a brain would be a problem. The same problem does not obtain in dualism, in reference to discarnate agents.<br /><br />Try not to make of fool of yourself by trying to be clever beyond your meager means. You don't have what it takes.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1964627550149119512010-07-20T11:58:02.581-04:002010-07-20T11:58:02.581-04:00Steve - "Which is only a problem if you'r...Steve - "Which is only a problem if you're a physicalist."<br /><br />It's not my problem if your God is brainless, Steve. But it's good to know that if an atheist is brainless, that's only a problem if I'm a physicalist (which I'm not). <br /><br />Toodles!Jaguk Hemaphredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13674449602720408457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68102913357383429342010-07-20T11:50:47.311-04:002010-07-20T11:50:47.311-04:00JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:
"I see. So while ath...JAGUK HEMAPHREDES SAID:<br /><br />"I see. So while atheists, in your opinion anyway, are only figuratively brainless, your God is *literally* brainless. I understand now. Thank you!"<br /><br />Which is only a problem if you're a physicalist. And physicalism is, itself, a problem.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66219348303505074832010-07-20T11:44:32.295-04:002010-07-20T11:44:32.295-04:00Steve - "What is brainless is your failure to...Steve - "What is brainless is your failure to grasp idiomatic figures of speech."<br /><br />I see. So while atheists, in your opinion anyway, are only figuratively brainless, your God is *literally* brainless. <br /><br />I understand now. Thank you!Jaguk Hemaphredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13674449602720408457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-63670207429310541072010-07-20T05:59:13.541-04:002010-07-20T05:59:13.541-04:00James said...
Scripture does say explicitly, thou...James said...<br /><br /><i>Scripture does say explicitly, though, that man is held accountable for the works done while in the body and is judged based on those things immediately upon death, not for the things they'd do in some other form eons (or even years) after their demise. </i><br /><br />Rev. 22:11 says, "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy." <br /><br />I take that verse to refer to the eternal state. If so, then the more a sinner in hell sins, the more punishment he merits and guilt he accrues. That's why hell is, in some sense "self-perpetuating" as W.L. Craig has said.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19086018193506397732010-07-19T19:38:42.010-04:002010-07-19T19:38:42.010-04:00Jaguk Hemaphredes said...
"Does God have a b...Jaguk Hemaphredes said...<br /><br />"Does God have a brain? Or is He also brainless?"<br /><br />What is brainless is your failure to grasp idiomatic figures of speech.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-34861305894000783492010-07-19T19:37:22.634-04:002010-07-19T19:37:22.634-04:00James,
i) Your interpretation assumes that 2 Cor ...James,<br /><br />i) Your interpretation assumes that 2 Cor 5:10 is meant to be a restrictive definition, as if it stood in antithetical contrast to any other considerations. Yet we know from Rom 5 and 1 Cor 15 that Paul didn’t regard actual sin as the only basis for divine judgment. Original sin was another ground. <br /><br />In referring to deeds, it is clearly alluding to adults. It doesn’t address the status of infants. <br /><br />ii) Your interpretation also reduces judgment to a matter of timing. It ceases to be a question of grace and justice, and becomes a question of good luck or bad luck–as if a serial killer will be judged less harshly if he’s accidentally run over by a bus an hour before he planned to murder a coed. I don’t think God is that shortsighted.<br /><br />iii) In context, 1 Cor 5:10 probably refers, not to the general judgment, but to the judgment of Christians. And, in that respect, not to the assignment of one’s eternal destiny, but to the conferring or withholding of rewards for good works (or the insufficiency thereof)<br /><br />iv) Deeds reflect one’s underlying character. One is judged, not so much for particular sins, but for the character which they evidence.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-63088826523701159572010-07-19T18:52:10.357-04:002010-07-19T18:52:10.357-04:00Steve is replying to Ed's comments in the thre...Steve is replying to Ed's comments in the thread <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2010/07/illiterate-librarians.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. In that thread, Steve and I had both commented on the subject of infant salvation. Ed's reply quoted above was supposed to be a reaction to both of us.<br /><br />Notice that Ed ignores my distinction between probability and certainty. He ignores what I said about how the earlier patristic sources are more significant than the later sources he cites. And he posts a lot of comments about infant baptism and Catholicism that are irrelevant to a credobaptist Evangelical like me. It doesn't seem that Ed is making much of an effort to interact with his opponents. Apparently, he's largely copying and pasting material he compiled in other contexts, without much concern for interacting with the beliefs of the people he's currently responding to.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-88488396258028252242010-07-19T18:28:33.839-04:002010-07-19T18:28:33.839-04:00"It also assumes that you remain whatever you..."It also assumes that you remain whatever you were when you died. But I don’t assume that."<br /><br />Scripture does say explicitly, though, that man is held accountable for the works done while in the body and is judged based on those things immediately upon death, not for the things they'd do in some other form eons (or even years) after their demise. <br /><br />The notion that infants are damned and eventually become the things after death for which they were damned seems contrary to Scripture, no?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01694207997231305470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5486832813122912342010-07-19T18:24:56.318-04:002010-07-19T18:24:56.318-04:00Does God have a brain? Or is He also brainless?Does God have a brain? Or is He also brainless?Jaguk Hemaphredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13674449602720408457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5332529575254713102010-07-19T16:59:34.588-04:002010-07-19T16:59:34.588-04:00The title of this post is redundant.The title of this post is redundant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com