tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4910562746538463552..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Rome's middle manRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13031132593735022562010-04-02T09:49:09.775-04:002010-04-02T09:49:09.775-04:00Bellisario,
i) First of all, you only quote one s...Bellisario,<br /><br />i) First of all, you only quote one sentence from one of the three sources I cited. You do that because, if one were to compare all three, it would be evident that different Catholic sources use different synonyms to. <br /><br />ii) Moreover, different synonyms denote the same underlying concept. The common concept is pregnancy termination.<br /><br />In double effect situations, Catholicism justifies pregnancy termination. Because it involves a double effect, that distinction is captured in terminology which distinguishes between direct and indirect abortion. I both can and have documented that terminology in Catholic sources.<br /><br />You make a fool of yourself when you quibble over synonyms, as if this were a debate over the choice of synonyms rather than the underlying concept. <br /><br />Moreover, you can't even sustain your objection at a purely semantic level inasmuch as Catholic sources do use the nomenclature of direct/indirect abortion–as I've documented.<br /><br />You're not doing Catholicism any favors with your bungling efforts to cover your own tracks.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1946329392190420452010-04-01T23:23:03.885-04:002010-04-01T23:23:03.885-04:00Steve you made an ass out of yourself by quoting t...Steve you made an ass out of yourself by quoting the USCCB which refuted your own argument.<br /><br />Remember your quote?<br />"No one advances that an abortion is acceptable. These measures do not constitute an abortion."<br /><br />This means that the Church is not supporting an abortion, period.James Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74801535042354790432010-04-01T18:33:16.912-04:002010-04-01T18:33:16.912-04:00ALEXANDER SAID:
"Matt has clearly demonstrat...ALEXANDER SAID:<br /><br />"Matt has clearly demonstrated that the Church does not allow abortions in any circumstance."<br /><br />To the contrary, Bellisario tried to split hairs over synonyms. But the church of Rome does distinguish between direct and indirect abortion, and the church of Rome allows pregnancy termination in double effect situations. I documented all that from Catholic sources.<br /><br />If Alex is going to split hairs over synonyms, that's a tacit admission of defeat on the substantive issue.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19409083587433600922010-04-01T18:14:56.225-04:002010-04-01T18:14:56.225-04:00Alexander: "That is, I wouldn't touch an...<b>Alexander:</b> <i>"That is, I wouldn't touch any of his hands if I were you."</i><br /><br />I wasn't planning on it.<br /><br />But let's take a little deeper look at your expressed sentiment here, Alexander. Are you familiar with the Donatist heresy? Let me assume that you are.<br /><br />So let's say that there's a pedophile, child-molesting Catholic priest. And just a short time before he confected the Elements and before he directly placed the wafer in your wide-open mouth, he molested and diddled the boy and himself with his hands.<br /><br />Imagine he did *NOT* wash his hands (maybe he forgot or maybe he was in a rush) and he confected the elements and he placed the wafer in your wide-open mouth with those unclean hands.<br /><br />Accordingly, due to the Donatist heresy, you still receive the Real Presence. And so you don't have to worry if his unclean hands touched your mouth.<br /><br />For some folks, that would be utterly gross. But for you, no problem. Open wide.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47385090245485907692010-04-01T17:45:44.572-04:002010-04-01T17:45:44.572-04:00Alexander,
If you had expressed your opinion that...Alexander,<br /><br />If you had expressed your opinion that Steve Hays lost, I would disagree with you, *BUT* I wouldn't call you a liar.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-52726238582948620072010-04-01T17:39:02.327-04:002010-04-01T17:39:02.327-04:00Alexander,
Why do you call me a liar when all I&#...Alexander,<br /><br />Why do you call me a liar when all I'm doing is expressing my (biased) opinion that Steve Hays beat da Champ?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67281749356851873932010-04-01T17:34:41.265-04:002010-04-01T17:34:41.265-04:00That is, I wouldn't touch any of his hands if ...That is, I wouldn't touch any of his hands if I were you.Alexander Grecohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18317035068895563791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2037353576254474332010-04-01T17:33:42.029-04:002010-04-01T17:33:42.029-04:00For what it is worth I know that you are biased an...For what it is worth I know that you are biased and I also think that you are a liar. Also, before you go about holding Steve's hand as the declared winner (and I would touch any of his hands if I were you) you might want to engage the arguments being made. Matt has clearly demonstrated that the Church does not allow abortions in any circumstance. My comments are posted at Beggars All.Alexander Grecohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18317035068895563791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44010892833300284022010-04-01T12:19:18.562-04:002010-04-01T12:19:18.562-04:00I hope the Lord is okay with me observing hard-nos...I hope the Lord is okay with me observing hard-nosed apologists going at it pretty hard.<br /><br />FWIW, I'm not an unbiased judge, but IMHO, da Champ got knocked out. Repeatedly.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com