tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4731462374820305575..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Making the "Catholic Paradigm" workRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-89034950622494627022012-08-10T17:46:04.604-04:002012-08-10T17:46:04.604-04:00I don't know that he even thinks he is "s...I don't know that he even thinks he is "speaking for Rome". His stated purpose is "To approach the task of Catholic-Protestant reconciliation", and he's got some elaborate explanations stating why he's able to speak competently about the Roman position.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7048546018357571752012-08-10T16:41:59.691-04:002012-08-10T16:41:59.691-04:00How is Bryan Cross authorized to speak for Rome on...How is Bryan Cross authorized to speak for Rome on these matters?EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45290308557793682902012-08-10T14:27:06.310-04:002012-08-10T14:27:06.310-04:00Thanks Michael :-)
You are absolutely right about...Thanks Michael :-)<br /><br />You are absolutely right about perfection and God's holiness.<br /><br />I haven't read all of this, and I think in the Green Baggins thread, Bryan says something to the effect that he hadn't "argued" for the "list" and "agape" paradigms, but it seems to me that he tags the Protestant hermeneutic with the handle "list paradigm" (and Lane says this is not accurate), and he tags the Roman Catholic view of justification with "agape paradigm". <br /><br />What's amazing to me is that the discussion seems to be going on using these terms.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1784623816325443632012-08-10T14:22:37.129-04:002012-08-10T14:22:37.129-04:00Perfection is the only answer to such dilemmas!
I...Perfection is the only answer to such dilemmas!<br /><br />If not, burning in hell is the only other option!<br /><br /><b>Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.</b><br /><br />Jesus, with those words makes it an impossibility for anyone to make it out of here on any merit of their own!<br /><br />Did someone say "thank God for Jesus"?<br /><br /><b>Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? <br />Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.</b>natamllchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362006343221525741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55083508211312711472012-08-10T13:34:57.488-04:002012-08-10T13:34:57.488-04:00It seems as if these guys are in it not only to wi...It seems as if these guys are in it not only to win converts, but to win some kind of accolades for their abilities to come up with "new" concepts. Bryan used to talk about "monocausalism"; he's still using "ecclesial deism" and this "Catholic Interpretive Paradigm" and also these "agape" and "list" paradigms. <br /><br />Where in the history of theology do these things occur?John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56540982635465687552012-08-10T13:30:52.281-04:002012-08-10T13:30:52.281-04:00"So to view venial sins as merely more rule v...<i>"So to view venial sins as merely more rule violations is to approach the whole question through the list-paradigm, rather than through the agape paradigm, which gets ‘behind’ the list to the spirit or principle (i.e. agape) of the law, thus allowing for a distinction between actions that violate this spirit, and those that are still ordered by this principle but fall short of its perfect expression."</i><br /><br />Except that even Catholics that have committed no mortal sins are required to confess to a priest at least once a year (CCC1457). So much for the agape paradigm over the list paradigm.EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31714170926295482382012-08-10T13:29:26.646-04:002012-08-10T13:29:26.646-04:00This is the voice of the enemy.
Without question....<i>This is the voice of the enemy.</i><br /><br />Without question. There are two things going on here. First, if you look at that thread, the Protestants are citing the CCC to the effect that Bryan isn't accurately quoting RC doctrine on it. And second, it's Bryan's attempt (with this "agape paradigm" stuff) to put a pretty face on Rome. So not only is Roman dogma about this bad, but then you've got Bryan's spin on it which is even further off base.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15274751732395426932012-08-10T12:57:44.306-04:002012-08-10T12:57:44.306-04:00They are deficiencies or defects in carrying out t...<i>They are deficiencies or defects in carrying out the love that is the spirit and principle of the law</i><br /><br />Um, yes, that would be a violation of the law, since "Love God with all your heart, strength, etc, and love neighbor as yourself" sum up all the law and prophets.<br /><br />What a terrible thing to say. Again we see works-righteousness simply diminishing the holiness and loftiness of the law of God to serve its own purposes. This is the voice of the enemy.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com