tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4657550630569809481..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Judgment by worksRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-79891235253489976032010-10-02T16:10:47.062-04:002010-10-02T16:10:47.062-04:00Michael Gormley said "How then, can these ver...Michael Gormley said <b><i>"How then, can these verses be symbolic?"</i></b><br /><br />Good question. How is we come by the flesh and blood of the saviour Jesus then?ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-37973529064980888032010-10-02T02:44:15.080-04:002010-10-02T02:44:15.080-04:00John 6:48-54:
Vs 48, A second time Jesus said, &q...<b>John 6:48-54:</b><br /><br />Vs 48, A second time Jesus said, <b>"I am that bread of life."</b> <br /><br />Vs 49, <i>"Your fathers ate manna in the wilderness and they are dead." </i><br /><br />This is because the manna was only a <i>type,</i> the symbol of the reality which was to come. <br /><br />Vs 50, <b>"This is the bread which comes down from Heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die."</b> <br /><br />We know that all of us will die physically, but Jesus meant the eternal life of the spiritual soul. <br /><br />Vs 51, Jesus said, <i>"I am the living bread that came down from Heaven, if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever. And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." </i><br /><br />Did He say the bread is a <b>"symbol"</b> of His flesh, or did He say it is my flesh? <br /><br />Vs 52, the Jews doubt even more as they said, <i>"How can this man give us His flesh to eat?"</i> <br /><br />Isn't this what non-believers in the "<a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/true.htm" rel="nofollow"> True Presence </a>" say today? <br /><br />Vs 53, Jesus said, <b>"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."</b> <br /><br />The very next verse <i>54</i> says that <b>those who eat the flesh of the Son of Man, do have everlasting life.</b> <br /><br />How then, can these verses be symbolic?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940745178193985942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75621943128995352622010-10-01T22:12:30.268-04:002010-10-01T22:12:30.268-04:00Michael Gormley wrote more than once and IN BOLD C...Michael Gormley wrote more than once and IN BOLD CAPITALS: <b><i>"HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN ME, AND I IN HIM.</i></b>"<br /><br />Yes we caught that, and the <b>BOLD CAP</b>s helped. But you must agree its figurative and not literal as Christ's actual flesh and blood ascended with Him when he did.<br /><br />If so, the <b>FLESH AND BLOOD</b> we are to eat and drink are subject to interpretation, so what's your interpretation, that you keep hinting at?<br /><br />You seem to be <b>HINTING AT SOMETHING EMPHATICALLY, NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT YOU"RE NOT SAYING CLEARLY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE HINTING AT</b>.<br /><br />You seem to expect we simply understand what you understand Christ's flesh and blood to be?ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-85647810319229284562010-10-01T14:26:10.384-04:002010-10-01T14:26:10.384-04:00HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN...<b>HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN ME, AND I IN HIM.</b>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940745178193985942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-76645673955953944252010-10-01T13:54:11.473-04:002010-10-01T13:54:11.473-04:00MICHAEL GORMLEY wrote: .. snip ..
Michael, is y...MICHAEL GORMLEY wrote: <b><i> .. snip .. </i></b><br /><br />Michael, is your point that <b><i>Faith without works is dead</i> [James 2:17]</b>?<br /><br />Are you fundamentally asking the question: <b><i>What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?</i> [James 2:14]</b><br /><br />If so, you're in good company. James makes the same point, and asks the same questions.<br /><br />But surely you're not suggesting that works without faith will suffice? Or more worrisome, you're not suggesting that particular works (such as sacramental works) save?<br /><br />The value of asking such Biblical questions can only be diminished by an agenda seeking to enslave people to the ceremonial understandings of some particular church, rather than to the direct obedience required of them by their Lord and creator.ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-42617563092052591442010-10-01T07:56:39.770-04:002010-10-01T07:56:39.770-04:00DO YOU PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH YOUR SALVATION?...<b>DO YOU PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH YOUR SALVATION?<br /><br />Abide in Me, and I in You...</b><br /><br />Jesus said:<br /><i>"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. <br /><br />You are already made clean by the word which I have spoken to you. <b>Abide</b> in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it <b>abides</b> in the vine, neither can you, unless you <b>abide</b> in me. <br /><br />I am the vine, you are the branches. He who <b>abides</b> in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. <br /><br />If a man does not <b>abide</b> in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. If you <b>abide</b> in me, and my words <b>abide</b> in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you."</i> (John 15:1-7)<br /><br />Wow! In those seven verses, the word <b>ABIDE</b> is mentioned seven times. The context of those verses provides us with a lot of light as to what is required of us by GOD for our eternal salvation. <br /><br />Jesus said:<br /><i>"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."</i> (Matthew 7:13-14)<br /><br />So we must not only <b>ABIDE</b> in Him but we must also strive to enter by the narrow gate. If we do not <b>ABIDE</b> in Him, then it is obvious that we are not on the path to the narrow gate of salvation, but on the path to the wide gate and to eternal destruction.<br /><br />So Jesus said that if we do not <b>ABIDE</b> in Him (the Vine) then we will be taken away from the Vine by the Father, and will be cast off only to wither, to be gathered, and then to be thrown into the fire and burned.<br /><br />Now that I have your attention, shouldn't we now find the meaning of the word <b>ABIDE?</b><br /><br />The theological meaning of <b>ABIDE</b> is to dwell within. Jesus would come and dwell in us and we likewise in Him. So as long as we do what Jesus requests of us then we are on the path to the narrow gate to salvation. <br /><br />So to assure that we are on right path, Jesus has commanded that we must <b>ABIDE</b> in Him.<br /><br />What is required in order to have Jesus <b>ABIDE</b> in us and we in Him?<br /><br /><b>Can we do it</b>:<br /><br />1. By accepting Him as our <a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/saved.htm" rel="nofollow">our own personal Lord and Savior </a>? <br />No. Where does the Bible say that?<br /><br />2. By the grace of GOD only? <a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/works.htm" rel="nofollow">Sola Gracias</a>? <br />No. Where does the Bible say that?<br /><br />3. By faith in GOD alone? <a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/works.htm" rel="nofollow">Sola Fides</a>? <br />No. Where does the Bible say that?<br /><br />It is simple <a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/common.htm" rel="nofollow">common sense</a> that since He commanded that we must do something, then doesn't it stand to reason that He would also tell us how to do it? <br /> <br />Jesus was very clear in what we must do in order to have Him <b>ABIDE</b> in us and we in Him.<br /><br />Jesus left this command for us in <a href="http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/john.htm" rel="nofollow">John 6:53-57:</a><br /><br />53 <i>"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you (the taken away branch)</i>; <br /><br />54 <i>he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed</i>. <br /><br />56 <b>HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN ME, AND I IN HIM</b>. <br /><br />57 <i>As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."</i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940745178193985942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30090112763254146652010-09-30T10:38:55.435-04:002010-09-30T10:38:55.435-04:00So when Noah was saved ... was it his belief in Go...So when Noah was saved ... was it his belief in God or his building an ark that saved him?<br /><br />1. Would he have been saved if he didn't believe God?<br />2. Would he have been saved if he hadn't built an ark?<br /><br />Can those two even be separated?ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56559819671859292882010-09-30T10:32:19.383-04:002010-09-30T10:32:19.383-04:00Who is the NT scholar? Thielman? Kruse?Who is the NT scholar? Thielman? Kruse?Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47969693576284007322010-09-29T20:18:06.498-04:002010-09-29T20:18:06.498-04:00Thanks, Wes. And we greatly value your ministry, t...Thanks, Wes. And we greatly value your ministry, too!stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27034516280483068532010-09-29T20:12:14.819-04:002010-09-29T20:12:14.819-04:00Steve,
Just wanted to let you know that I appreci...Steve,<br /><br />Just wanted to let you know that I appreciated your comments here. Keep up the good work.<br /><br />Blessings, <br /><br />WesWes Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08699630324814112298noreply@blogger.com