tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4572073287857683351..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Restless spiritsRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-91801188102515752802009-04-03T12:34:00.000-04:002009-04-03T12:34:00.000-04:00Thanks for the help, guys...much appreciated."More...Thanks for the help, guys...much appreciated.<BR/><BR/>"Moreover, I think that psychopannychism is just a euphemism for thnetopsychism"<BR/><BR/>Who invents these words? I mean, seriously. I'm starting to think that theologians lose at Scrabble a lot.Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00683320115621070088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19320755651374818532009-04-03T11:12:00.000-04:002009-04-03T11:12:00.000-04:00“Sleep” is a biblical metaphor for death. Even pro...“Sleep” is a biblical metaphor for death. Even proponents of soul-sleep have to admit that they’re using the term figuratively–for sleep is literally a physiological process. Absent the body, sleep is impossible. There’s nothing to experience sleep. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, I think that psychopannychism is just a euphemism for thnetopsychism, according to which the “soul” (i.e. mind) is extinguished with the body. It’s a form of annihilationism or conditional immortality.<BR/><BR/>It presupposes physicalism. There is no immortal soul because there is no immaterial soul. There is only the body. Mind and brain are identical. Consciousness perishes with the body.<BR/><BR/>The saints are resurrected on Judgment Day, but the judgment of the damned is to be left in a state of oblivion. <BR/><BR/>I think that’s what the position actually amounts to, when we strip away the apologetic metaphors and euphemisms, which make it sound nicer than it really is. <BR/><BR/>However, the apparition of Samuel presupposes the intermediate state.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-63700749948079185502009-04-03T10:28:00.000-04:002009-04-03T10:28:00.000-04:00Hey Mathetes,If you want my own opinion (and that'...Hey Mathetes,<BR/><BR/>If you want my own opinion (and that's all it is), time doesn't exist in the afterlife. It is something God created when He created the universe...and even then, given Einstein's relativity, time doesn't exist as we <I>think</I> it does.<BR/><BR/>This means that there's no need for "soul sleep" since that's basically a way to account for the fact that people who've died in the past (from our perspective) have not yet been resurrected (from our perspective) and therefore we must "account" for the time lapse. But there is no time lapse if time doesn't exist.<BR/><BR/>As for Samuel's apparition, there could be a couple of different explanations. First, it may not have actually been Samuel at all--it could have been a delusion sent to Saul as punishment, etc. Second, let us suppose it was Samuel. In that case, we'd just have Samuel working "in time" again, and that's no different from any other spiritual entity working in time. To use a physics analogy, anything moving at the speed of light experiences no time. That means to light itself (at least in a vacuum) all events occur simultaneously in the universe. However, we know that a photon from the sun that struck the Earth yesterday came "before" the photon that strikes the Earth today. To a photon that came into existence on the first day of creation and continues to move through the vacuum of space at the speed of light, both photons hit the Earth simultaneously.<BR/><BR/>We could use this as a rough analogy to consider the possibility of Samuel to exist outside of time in the afterlife, yet to appear to someone "in time" before or after certain other events.<BR/><BR/>Again, all this is merely my opinion (although I think it is an informed opinion, given my studies of the philosophy of time, etc.).Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83291197597302643932009-04-03T10:01:00.000-04:002009-04-03T10:01:00.000-04:00Speaking of Samuel's apparition to Saul, some have...Speaking of Samuel's apparition to Saul, some have used it as a prooftext for soul sleep. What do you think, is it plausible? Calvin thought it was ridiculous, but maybe he had the same reasons that Westminster did in the quoted section.Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00683320115621070088noreply@blogger.com