tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post3703390395644249910..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Another passage that doesn't seem to make sense unless compatibilism is trueRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7862177431010737272015-04-29T18:25:56.814-04:002015-04-29T18:25:56.814-04:00Hello Jeff,
Thank you for your response. Can you ...Hello Jeff,<br />Thank you for your response. Can you flesh out why you think that would be paradoxical?Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68863170204495043002015-04-27T17:50:21.183-04:002015-04-27T17:50:21.183-04:00I agree that the exchange between Rebekah was dete...I agree that the exchange between Rebekah was determined by God in some way or another. The servant prayed to God and asked him to determine outcome the exchange, and God did. I don't think it necessarily follows that <i>everything</i> is determined by God. It would be a little bit paradoxical if God determined that the servant would ask God to determine which woman was offer to water his animals.Jeff Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768185709286407477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19759346149927538902015-04-26T12:44:31.991-04:002015-04-26T12:44:31.991-04:00I agree with that too, Steve. I was being charita...I agree with that too, Steve. I was being charitable to Unknown in not assuming he or she is a molinist, but instead assuming he or she was responding to the fact that I said "the only possible explanation" is compatibilism. In that case, it doesn't matter whether Unknown believes molinism, only whether or not it is possible for molinism to be a different explanation to my post than compatibilism. <br /><br />Of course, it's probably a safe assumption that Unknown champions molinsm too; but that's another issue. I think molinism is obviously wrong for many reasons, but as a response to my post it certainly cannot be described as a non-compatibilistic view (at least not as molisim is described by Unknown). If "God sovereignly brought about a world where the servant freely prayed for what Rebecca [sic] freely did" then in the actual world, Rebekah and the servant were strictly determined to do as they did (they could do nothing else, for God had brought about that world) and yet they freely acted. That just *is* saying that freedom is compatible with determinism, which makes Unknown's description of molinism a compatibilist view.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-89946468251276556032015-04-26T11:48:25.314-04:002015-04-26T11:48:25.314-04:00Let's keep in mind that there's no reason ...Let's keep in mind that there's no reason to believe Molinism is true. As W. L. Craig admits, it's not a revealed truth. In addition, it has no intuitive plausibility. As Arminian philosopher Jerry Walls observes:<br /><br />"What mystifies me is the claim God knows what all possible people who will never exist in the actual world would do in all possible states of affairs."<br /><br />Molinism is just an arbitrary postulate. You might as well believe in monadology. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-87013814013257039552015-04-25T23:36:09.134-04:002015-04-25T23:36:09.134-04:00Perhaps you should also check out this link: http:...Perhaps you should also check out this link: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26786004702234692972015-04-25T23:26:51.821-04:002015-04-25T23:26:51.821-04:00Unknown,
I take it you're not familiar with ho...Unknown,<br />I take it you're not familiar with how LFW requires PAP and which therefore would rule out your counter example.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-73247731783500612902015-04-25T23:05:59.957-04:002015-04-25T23:05:59.957-04:00You must not be familiar with molinism since the m...You must not be familiar with molinism since the molinist can make perfect sense of this passage. God sovereignly brought about a world where the servant freely prayed for what Rebecca freely did. There are a lot of Christians who believe in LFW that do not think things just happen to go accordingly. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05085374571518992164noreply@blogger.com