tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2495956012896531348..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Hand, foot, and eyeRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80292032316431779522015-04-19T23:45:23.856-04:002015-04-19T23:45:23.856-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18359493154347912462015-04-19T23:45:00.835-04:002015-04-19T23:45:00.835-04:00Thanks, I'll give this a thorough reading.Thanks, I'll give this a thorough reading.<br />C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18396522558486413682015-04-19T22:32:40.886-04:002015-04-19T22:32:40.886-04:00Simply replace "gay sex" or "monoga...Simply replace "gay sex" or "monogamous same-sex relationships" with "beastiality" or "mother-son incest" or "father-daughter incest" to see the absurdity of Cook's argumentation.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29388776062297446292015-04-19T22:18:36.929-04:002015-04-19T22:18:36.929-04:00@CMG - Check out this article by Robert Gagnon tha...@CMG - Check out <a href="http://www.robgagnon.net/articles/ChristianSexualityArticle2003.pdf" rel="nofollow">this article</a> by Robert Gagnon that essentially addresses the same argument deployed by Cook. The conclusion that homosex is always and everywhere representative of unqualified sinful behavior is well argued and inescapable.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25907486175667386622015-04-19T16:55:12.282-04:002015-04-19T16:55:12.282-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90435722822938161422015-04-19T16:54:27.719-04:002015-04-19T16:54:27.719-04:00Clarification: I did this in the combox of the pos...Clarification: I did this in the combox of the posts in question. Most of the commenters pushing back were professing believers. Troubling. And Jeff Cook is a pastor, by the way.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40762074188139073422015-04-19T16:52:02.560-04:002015-04-19T16:52:02.560-04:00I went to Matt. 19 and pressed Jesus' teaching...I went to Matt. 19 and pressed Jesus' teaching about God's design for marriage as being between a male and female "from the beginning", His intention for marriage as the Creator. The response? That is a passage about divorce, it doesn't address whom should marry. Incredible. Our culture, and to some degree, the church, has lost its collective mind.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-69642801556008685832015-04-19T07:56:47.007-04:002015-04-19T07:56:47.007-04:00In addition, Jesus cites a panoply of OT verses in...In addition, Jesus cites a panoply of OT verses in giving a positive statement of *what marriage is* in Matthew 19 (and Mark 6):<br /><br /><i>“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh.</i><br /><br />In doing so, he affirms a proper understanding of what marriage has been "from the beginning". John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-208672258744071212015-04-19T02:17:38.504-04:002015-04-19T02:17:38.504-04:00Cook says: "The burden of proof in ethics fal...Cook says: "The burden of proof in ethics falls on those calling an action immoral."<br /><br />That''s absurd. Even in the abstract, both sides are making truth-claims,. Both affirmations and denials are truth-claims. To call an action moral carries just as much burden of proof as calling an action immoral. <br /><br />It's not as if there's a presumption that the action is moral, which the other side must overcome. <br /><br />And that's just in the abstract. In reality, the Bible has already said, both explicitly and implicitly, that homosexuality is immoral. In addition, scholars like Gagnon have provided the relevant exegesis, and rebutted alternative interpretations. <br /><br />So the burden of proof is on Cook's side. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10463820187015220692015-04-18T23:13:01.823-04:002015-04-18T23:13:01.823-04:00Yeah, sin blinds like that. It's typical. On...Yeah, sin blinds like that. It's typical. One can pick literally anything and bracket it as Cook has, and assert the burden of proof is on others. That's a parlor trick.<br /><br />CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80122017810406536502015-04-18T22:34:13.961-04:002015-04-18T22:34:13.961-04:00If within the bounds of covenantal same sex marria...If within the bounds of covenantal same sex marriage, he doesn't consider it a sin. In fact, he insists the onus is on the Christian who insists otherwise how same sex marriage violates the "virtue ethic" of the NTC.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86015038368026016012015-04-18T21:17:47.554-04:002015-04-18T21:17:47.554-04:00It's not difficult to discern which sin Cook l...It's not difficult to discern which sin Cook loves more than Jesus.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-34033724226478680562015-04-18T19:43:25.202-04:002015-04-18T19:43:25.202-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-14698071036418041682015-04-18T19:43:05.055-04:002015-04-18T19:43:05.055-04:00Thanks for taking the time on that Steve, if you t...Thanks for taking the time on that Steve, if you think the post was bad you should peruse the comboxC.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31518420001039996552015-04-18T15:01:58.461-04:002015-04-18T15:01:58.461-04:00According to his website, Jeff Cook is both a phil...According to his website, Jeff Cook is both a philosopher as well as a pastor. But both his reasoning as well as Biblical interpretations are poor, to say the very least. This doesn't seem to bode well for either of his career choices!rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.com