tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2279794691068948280..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: "Homophobia" in the churchRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55104056211837874692016-04-06T23:10:26.834-04:002016-04-06T23:10:26.834-04:00"You're failing to properly separate and ..."You're failing to properly separate and coordinate the groups." <br /><br />Bingo Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-89167397618273918612016-04-06T23:08:37.920-04:002016-04-06T23:08:37.920-04:00"I wouldn't question that. What Steve is ..."I wouldn't question that. What Steve is calling the "homosexual abuse scandal" within the Catholic church is really a pedophilia scandal."<br /><br />It's homosexually oriented as we have daily proof. It's doubly perverted if there can be such a thing.Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24923343621131462022016-04-06T22:44:25.198-04:002016-04-06T22:44:25.198-04:00"As I understand it, something like 20% of th..."As I understand it, something like 20% of the victims were girls, and a much larger percentage of the offenders victimized children of both sexes."<br /><br />A basic problem with that statistic is that the abuse scandal included nuns molesting girls. You're failing to properly separate and coordinate the groups. There are lesbian nuns as well as gay priests. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-33823971842106317642016-04-06T22:39:52.119-04:002016-04-06T22:39:52.119-04:00"Jeremy,
The Catholic sex scandal is overwhe..."Jeremy,<br /><br />The Catholic sex scandal is overwhelmingly male on male. Adult homosexual (male) priests molesting underage boys. <br /><br />Technically, I believe pedophilia involves prepubescent victims, not adolescent victims. It's a well-documented fact that homosexual men generally prefer youthful male sex partners."stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25011671261561328552016-04-06T21:02:14.927-04:002016-04-06T21:02:14.927-04:00I suppose I should add that what might be going on...I suppose I should add that what might be going on here is the sense of outrage parents might have at the thought that some authority figure might "make their kid gay" is somehow stronger than the mere fact that they abused them, and that shows their priorities and values to be way out of proportion. That's something that might rightly be called a fear of homosexuality, a fear that is out of proportion in comparison to the more serious offense going on here, one that generates less outrage (and hence the lower level of outrage at the girls being abused). I do think that's a problem among social conservatives. There is a fear of homosexuality, of one's children perhaps turning out gay, and so on, and that fear is way out of proportion to how serious it is, even if it's a genuine thing Christians should be cautious about. You don't see the same sort of fear that your kid might turn out to be disobedient to parents, which is found in NT lists of the most serious sins and warranted stoning in the OT. We simply don't place our sense of the seriousness of sins according to how the Bible does things, and that's so even with sexual sins being given very serious language. We place it even higher than the Bible does on our lists, and we ignore far more serious sins to do so.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-79151487545081880492016-04-06T20:56:08.464-04:002016-04-06T20:56:08.464-04:00As I understand it, something like 20% of the vict...As I understand it, something like 20% of the victims were girls, and a much larger percentage of the offenders victimized children of both sexes. The reality is that multiple sins were involved in many of these cases, but the most important one to highlight is that authority figures were abusing children. The fact that the majority of them were same-sex is not the main issue anyone should be focusing on, because it's certainly not the most serious of the sins being committed even in those cases.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10841112850413327182016-04-06T19:57:33.175-04:002016-04-06T19:57:33.175-04:00I've not seen the statistics, but many in this...I've not seen the statistics, but many in this thread seem to have a much better understanding of the RCC sex scandal than I do, how many heterosexual abuses were uncovered? How many girls were abused? <br /><br />It seems like all I ever heard or read about was homosexual, NAMBLA-style abuse. CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-101405513430122492016-04-06T19:28:01.605-04:002016-04-06T19:28:01.605-04:00I wouldn't question that. What Steve is callin...I wouldn't question that. What Steve is calling the "homosexual abuse scandal" within the Catholic church is really a pedophilia scandal.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20847840911603307312016-04-06T18:52:26.262-04:002016-04-06T18:52:26.262-04:00Likewise:
http://www.robgagnon.net/HeterosexismRe...Likewise:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.robgagnon.net/HeterosexismResponsePart2Science.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.robgagnon.net/HeterosexismResponsePart2Science.htm</a>rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25764057697830103682016-04-06T18:50:11.572-04:002016-04-06T18:50:11.572-04:00This is worth a read:
http://rethinkingtheology.c...This is worth a read:<br /><br /><a href="http://rethinkingtheology.com/2012/10/22/links-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia" rel="nofollow">http://rethinkingtheology.com/2012/10/22/links-between-homosexuality-and-pedophilia</a>rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5464493758069883062016-04-06T18:33:32.532-04:002016-04-06T18:33:32.532-04:00On a related note, the American College of Pediatr...On a related note, the American College of Pediatricians does <a href="http://www.acpeds.org/same-sex-marriage-not-best-for-children" rel="nofollow">argue</a> homosexual marriages are harmful to children.rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67105784184938455842016-04-06T17:57:09.978-04:002016-04-06T17:57:09.978-04:00The reds more than delegitimized their opponents: ...The reds more than delegitimized their opponents: they were diagnosed with "sluggish schizophrenia," hospitalized/incarcerated, and forcibly drugged. One wonders what our libs might be thinking...Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-8792419921557860342016-04-06T15:48:10.496-04:002016-04-06T15:48:10.496-04:00There isn't any correlation at all between hom...There isn't any correlation at all between homosexuality and sexual abuse of children. There is a strong correlation between pedophilia and sexual abuse of children. Given that, it's a bit weird to speak of the "homosexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church". It's not even limited to abuse of boys, anyway.<br /><br />Homosexuality and pedophilia are different sexual orientations, one toward those of one's own sex and one toward children. The latter can sometimes manifest itself toward children of one's own sex and sometimes toward children of the opposite sex. It's a different condition from homosexuality, though. Having a same-sex orientation isn't any more likely to lead to abuse of children than having an opposite-sex orientation.<br /><br />There is a reason not to have someone living in a same-sex relationship involved with leading the youth group, because that would constitute putting an unrepentant sinner in a leadership position over children. But there's no reason to keep a celibate person with same-sex desires (or a person with same-sex desires who is married to someone of the opposite sex) in such a position, as long as there's the same level of accountability that you might have with a heterosexual youth leader who might just as easily have attraction toward the kids of the opposite sex in that group.<br /><br />I loathe the term "homophobia," but there's no reason to resist it by taking positions that ignore the facts and rely on false stereotypes and confuse distinct categories.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82438075014339019662016-04-06T13:31:19.217-04:002016-04-06T13:31:19.217-04:00I wonder if Nick would approve of hosting a LGBT &...I wonder if Nick would approve of hosting a LGBT "Pig-Sex" party in his home. After all, hospitality is one of the Biblical requirements for Elders. He wouldn't want to be typecast as a Pharisaical moralizer, would he?<br /><br />He doesn't need to agree with nor approve of it, he just needs to be tolerant and welcoming. CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25177636670300156642016-04-06T12:45:35.830-04:002016-04-06T12:45:35.830-04:00To further Steve's point about meaning and usa...To further Steve's point about meaning and usage, a phobia is an irrational fear and can be quite disabling, as in agoraphobics who can't leave their houses. I see the use of the "phobia" suffix as medicalizing dissent and recasting it as mental illness to delegitimize political opponents, which was a technique employed by the Stalinists. It's another way the Left has of "winning" arguments by not allowing arguments in the first place.Ken Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01398980914190503708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55614946176989852792016-04-06T10:20:58.479-04:002016-04-06T10:20:58.479-04:00Kirk, LOLKirk, LOLJohn Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56753463622001573772016-04-06T07:50:10.471-04:002016-04-06T07:50:10.471-04:00Maybe the radically chic and oh-so-open-minded Pr ...Maybe the radically chic and oh-so-open-minded Pr Nick would be equally open to the embezzler being church treasurer, or the serial adulterer leading the married couples' retreat? He wouldn't want anyone to feel unwelcome, now, would he?Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5316734220719605332016-04-05T18:57:58.357-04:002016-04-05T18:57:58.357-04:00Just guessing here, but "Pastor Nick" is...Just guessing here, but "Pastor Nick" is possibly a closeted homosexual, or possibly he has a closeted homosexual family member.<br /><br />Of course I could be off-base here. <br /><br />Nick should read "This Momentary Marriage" by Piper to help act as a corrective to his apparent moral confusion.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90961033431466284892016-04-05T16:42:40.958-04:002016-04-05T16:42:40.958-04:00Steve,
Spot on.
I found it odd that he placed &...Steve,<br /><br />Spot on. <br /><br />I found it odd that he placed "Judeo-Christian societyā€¯ in scare quotes as if America's tradition has not been a Judeo-Christian society.<br /><br />Alan E. Kurschnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963783504805163298noreply@blogger.com