tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2266753680468316196..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Freedom, Determinism, and PersiflageRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-81777321870904683432009-01-20T14:37:00.000-05:002009-01-20T14:37:00.000-05:00beowulf2k8 said... Persiflage is clearly right and...<I>beowulf2k8 said... <BR/><BR/>Persiflage is clearly right and you are being ridiculous. Let us say that I was at the store considering buying a Macbook, and that I decided to buy it, and finally bought the Macbook. Now, for whatever reason, let us say that God rewinds time. Will I buy the Macbook again? Why wouldn't I?"</I><BR/><BR/>"Why wouldn't you?" isn't the proper response. It is vague at best. It's also a question meant to substitute for an argument because you don't know what to say. Are you saying that if past conditions remained the same the agent would always dom the same given the same past? he couldn't do different? That the decision to buy the Macbook would <I>always</I> and <I>without fail</I> follow from that <I>same</I> past? Then you're a determinist.<BR/><BR/>Look, leading libertarian action theorist Robert Kane may need to set you straight:<BR/><BR/>"If John is really free to choose different options at any time during his deliberation, and his choice is not determined, then he must be able to choose <I>either</I> path, given the <I>same</I> past up to the moment when he chooses. <BR/><BR/>You can't cheat here and say, 'If the past had been just a <I>tiny bit</I> different, then John might have sensibly and rationally chosen differently'. <I>Determinists</I> and <I>compatibilists</I> can say this. Folr they insist that John might have sensibly and rationally chosen otherwise only if the past had been different in some way (however small the difference)."<BR/><BR/>(Kane, Four Views on Free Will, ed. Sosa, 2008, p.24, emphasis original).Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12498244285629727192009-01-17T19:14:00.000-05:002009-01-17T19:14:00.000-05:00Persiflage is clearly right and you are being ridi...Persiflage is clearly right and you are being ridiculous. Let us say that I was at the store considering buying a Macbook, and that I decided to buy it, and finally bought the Macbook. Now, for whatever reason, let us say that God rewinds time. Will I buy the Macbook again? Why wouldn't I? Nothing has changed. The factors involved in my decision the first time are all still exactly the same as they were before. But what if God not only rewound time, but also increased the price of the Macbook by $2000 dollars???? Would I buy the Macbook the second time. CERTAINLY NOT. That doesn't mean that God makes my decision for me. It means my decision is based on logical parameters. I ain't going to buy something that costs $2000 dollars more than I want to pay, obviously--would you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com