tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2162646866195247924..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Breaking BadRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-88337701572322809022012-11-27T20:59:35.134-05:002012-11-27T20:59:35.134-05:00@John Bugay and Ken
No problem. Here is part two ...@John Bugay and Ken<br /><br />No problem. Here is part two of Jordan Cooper's response: <br /><br />http://justandsinner.blogspot.com/2012/11/response-to-jason-stellman-part-2.htmlNicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-9608420225373357092012-11-26T15:03:59.346-05:002012-11-26T15:03:59.346-05:00I have another response here;
http://beggarsallre...I have another response here; <br />http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-irony-of-jason-stellmans-conversion.html<br /><br />thanks to Nicholas Leone for the link to Jordan Cooper and his response.<br />Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-38330423629839667632012-11-26T04:18:12.794-05:002012-11-26T04:18:12.794-05:00Thanks Annoyed, I've fixed the second link.Thanks Annoyed, I've fixed the second link.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62135517429090537912012-11-25T17:04:45.534-05:002012-11-25T17:04:45.534-05:00Also, if there was one thing I could tell Mr. Stel...Also, if there was one thing I could tell Mr. Stellman it would be this. That before the closing of the Canon, the principle of Summa Scriptura was in operation, even if Sola Scriptura wasn't. Even during the times when public inspired and inerrant Revelation was being given and added to by God to (and through) OT prophets, Jesus or NT Apostles (whether it be verbal, written, visionary, or via dreams or angels), it WAS ALWAYS THE CASE THAT <b>the <i>then</i> currently recognized Scriptures were the highest authority in the community of faith such that any other further alleged revelation had to not contradict it and in some sense be confirmed by it.</b> <br /><br />Even Jesus, who could and did at times "pull rank" by appealing to His own inherent authority never did so against Scripture. Instead, for the sake of His listeners, He often went out of His way to try to authenticate His message by appealing to Scripture ("It is written...", "Have you not read...", "Ye search the Scriptures [imperative or indicative, it doesn't matter]....<b>these are they which testify of Me</b>... <b>[cf. Luke 24:25-27]</b>". <br /><br />The apostles did the same thing (cf. Acts 17:11; 1 Cor. 15:4; possibly 1 Cor. 4:6). They didn't automatically think that just because they claimed to be Apostles they were beyond examination (cf. Rev. 2:2; Gal. 1:8). They were accountable to their Apostolic peers, and they AND THEIR PEERS were subordinate to the Scriptures. Their ultimate standard was always Scripture even if other things like tradition informed their doctrine and worship.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-36536865576557482612012-11-25T16:28:12.221-05:002012-11-25T16:28:12.221-05:00There's no need for anyone to read this follow...<b>There's no need for anyone to read this following rant. I just have to say it.</b><br /><br />I've listened to both audio and I have to say that if I were Mr. Stellman I'd be really embarrassed and ashamed. I don't know how someone who has a Seminary degree could have made such a massive theological shift without evenly listening to the best of both sides. On the one hand he's claiming that Protestantism can't escape the problem of "Solo Scriptura" (to be distinguished from Sola Scriptura), namely the "me and my bible alone in the woods" isolationism. The point being we need the accumulated wisdom of the Church and others more knowledgeable than use to help us form and inform our opinions. Yet on the other hand, I get the sense that he delayed and limited his exposure to the best defenders and arguments that Protestants have to offer. He barely interacted with Dr. White, not to mention (if he interacted with them at all) TurretinFan, the folks at the Beggars All blog, the folks here at Triablogue et cetera. BY ALL MEANS, listen to the best of what Catholics have to offer. But do the same with the Protestant side. <br /><br /><b>I confess I didn't do that when I left Catholicism at the age of 13 and that I left for mostly wrong reasons. BUT I WASN'T A SEMINARY GRADUATE!</b> Pride should have kept him from leaving for another theological paradigm before really studying up on the issues; lest he embarrass himself. But now that he's done so, pride may keep him from re-thinking his conversion. Human nature is such that he might now just seek to justify his decision (whether consciously or unconsciously) rather than look at the evidence objectively. <br /><br />By the power of God's grace, he can return to the truth at any time in the future. However, from a human perspective, the longer he stays in Catholicism the more he'll ossify and try to find face saving justifications. May God tenderize his heart to re-examine the issues by giving a fair hearing of both sides. <br /><br />Also, seminary professors have their place/expertise/specializations, but they aren't apologists who encounter rubber-meets-the-road objections and questions so they aren't the ones one should expect to get the best arguments from.<br /><br />Same thing with popularizers. For example, I have GREAT esteem/respect towards R.C. Sproul, but as a popularizer, he wouldn't know how to adequately answer the technical objections and arguments made by the folks at Called to Communion.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-11873111921524920622012-11-25T16:18:23.157-05:002012-11-25T16:18:23.157-05:00I've noticed that the 2nd audio link is now de...I've noticed that the 2nd audio link is now dead. I don't know if that's on purpose. Other people might want that second file. Here's the link I got from the Alpha and Omega Ministries website <a href="http://aomin.org/podcasts/20121120.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://aomin.org/podcasts/20121120.mp3</a>. I think the link will be good for the next few months.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57070804939260144792012-11-25T02:53:36.922-05:002012-11-25T02:53:36.922-05:00Mike, if I recall, he was a Baptist before a Bapti...Mike, if I recall, he was a Baptist before a Baptizer. That was the early 60's though, and I may not have been properly catehized. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90816979892605067172012-11-24T19:49:26.059-05:002012-11-24T19:49:26.059-05:00You mean, "John the Baptizer" don't ...You mean, "John the Baptizer" don't you. The One True Church doesn't believe that John was a Baptist. Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-35103738371687113452012-11-23T17:43:51.038-05:002012-11-23T17:43:51.038-05:00Nicholas, thanks for the link.Nicholas, thanks for the link.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-11000267602787061602012-11-23T14:20:49.305-05:002012-11-23T14:20:49.305-05:00Jordan Cooper also responded to the CTC podcast: h...Jordan Cooper also responded to the CTC podcast: http://justandsinner.blogspot.com/2012/11/responding-to-jason-stellman.htmlNicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-52028759268451351962012-11-23T12:55:29.523-05:002012-11-23T12:55:29.523-05:00I was about to say "take that, Presbyterians&...I was about to say "take that, Presbyterians" but then a "presbyter" is just a bishop (I think). So any church father talking about bishops also proves that Presbyterians are the One True Church (although not as true as Baptists >_> )Semper Reformandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14654695501552603164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68088839532370451552012-11-23T12:28:44.154-05:002012-11-23T12:28:44.154-05:00James White and TurretinFan are having some great ...James White and TurretinFan are having some great discussions while they go through the audio of the interview. Recommended for anyone interested in hearing arguments for/against sola ecclesia.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-49172830402323446092012-11-23T12:20:41.824-05:002012-11-23T12:20:41.824-05:00I think Baptists are the one true church: John the...I think Baptists are the one true church: John the BAPTIST came first, and Jesus was baptized by him. So if we are "in Christ", we are all Baptists too. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44562019979814331932012-11-23T12:17:02.388-05:002012-11-23T12:17:02.388-05:00Andrew, you may be right about the ventriloquism a...Andrew, you may be right about the ventriloquism act. I'll give a look at the link when I get a chance. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5785573026836376512012-11-23T11:34:26.248-05:002012-11-23T11:34:26.248-05:00If church fathers using the word "catholic&qu...If church fathers using the word "catholic" prove that Rome is the One True Church, then church fathers using the word "orthodox" should also prove that the Eastern Orthodox is the One True Church. Also, church fathers referring to baptism prove that Baptists belong to the One True Church.Semper Reformandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14654695501552603164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-85961015346354832412012-11-23T11:15:12.238-05:002012-11-23T11:15:12.238-05:00Are we sure Cross and Stellman aren't an old t...Are we sure Cross and Stellman aren't an old time radio ventriloquist act? I got the distinct impression...hmm<br /><br />Unrelated (but not completely!) I came across <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnao5SBunfI" rel="nofollow">this</a> earlier. It made me laugh anyway. The writers of Father Ted were involved in it, if you're familiar with that show. <br /><br />(Be warned, there's some coarseness at the end) <br />Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04171699624103400663noreply@blogger.com